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Mon May 18, 2009 2:17 pm Secondary Sources

...For a lack of a better term at the moment....

I was looking at H4 and while it's Forgotten Realms material, I see that it does cover the Palace of Orcus which is in the Abyss and Orcus and the Abyss are referenced in Greyhawk. So is there incentive to have a list of locations which have been published quoted with the source document like this like we have with the Greyhawk Modules Locations Index?

Mon May 18, 2009 3:32 pm

I would assume the Abyssal locations noted in H4 are canon for Greyhawk. They're also mentioned in Fiendish Codex I.

I guess it depends on how extensive you want your index to be. There are a lot of generic and Planescape adventures and sourcebooks that mention planar locations that I would assume are canon for Greyhawk's planes, so opening your index to these sources would expand it tremendously, and possibly overwhelm the Greyhawkness of it.

I would suggest placing planar adventures in a separate list. This kind of separation seems logical and might make things more convenient to reference; those looking for a planar location could check that list first, and those looking only for locations on Oerth could check only the Oerth list.

Mon May 18, 2009 3:34 pm Re: Secondary Sources

Mon May 18, 2009 4:17 pm

Off the top of my head, the list should include:

Queen of the Demonweb Pits
Dungeonland
The Land Beyond the Magic Mirror
Isle of the Ape
Egg of the Phoenix
Throne of Bloodstone
Tales of the Outer Planes
Treasures of Greyhawk
Harbinger House
Into the Abyss
Something Wild
The Deva Spark
Fires of Dis
Doors to the Unknown
Well of Worlds
Hellbound: The Blood War
The Great Modron March
Dead Gods
Tales from the Infinite Staircase
For Duty & Deity
Vortex of Madness
TSR Jam
Lord of the Iron Fortress
Bastion of Broken Souls
Expedition to the Demonweb Pits

Tue May 19, 2009 3:34 pm Abyss or Extra-Planar

As an index, we'd need to also list what extra planar setting is in that document. Such as:

Code, Title, Location
H4, Throne of Bloodstone, Orcus' Palace

If people see value in such an index we could ask the webmaster to add a link in the frame to the left which logs it.

Wed May 20, 2009 3:30 pm

Without getting into a recycled thread on the merits of the Castle Greyhawk joke module, various sections of it take place in other planes. OTTOMH, there is a part in Pandemonium. There is a part with Jubilex, but IDR if that is in his home plane or he is on the Prime.
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Wed May 20, 2009 3:37 pm

There are several demiplanes attached to WG7, including the Plane of Eternal Autumn (which is actually a cool place, and not that jokey) and the various demiplanes of Aunt Bee. There's a room with tapestries that connect to various planes, and two possible ways to get to the Nine Hells. I don't remember any Pandemonium connections, though, and the encounter with Juiblex takes place on the Material Plane, in the sewers under the castle. There are actually two different versions of Juiblex (original flavor and King Burger), and something like six different pastiches of Mordenkainen.

Thu May 21, 2009 1:07 pm

I haven’t thought of the MM Demon Lords in quite while, other than Demogorgon. In 1st ed., though we played in Greyhawk, Orcus and Jubilex were always the bad guys. Just their mention makes me reminisce...

Anyone remember who the others were? I don’t have my books handy.

Thu May 21, 2009 7:28 pm

From the original Monster Manual, we have

Demogorgon, Prince of Demons
Juiblex, The Faceless Lord
Orcus, Prince of the Undead
Yeenoghu, Demon Lord of Gnolls

Lolth was covered in the FF, and there were quite a few more in MM2, of course...

Personally, I've always been more enamored of the Devils as opponents.

Fri May 22, 2009 8:57 am

Fri May 22, 2009 3:33 pm

Yes, the arena is connected to (though not itself a part of) Limbo.

"The arena is adjacent to a portion of Limbo ruled by a powerful Death Slaad, Zgotar. Originally random monsters generated by the Random Monster Generator were jumping through a portal to Limbo. To prevent his realm from being overrun by even more chaos than it already endured (some types of chaos are more desirable than others to slaad) Zgotar sealed off Limbo from the area, and built an arena around it." - page 98.