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    Which edition of the game do you use/prefer
    basic
    3%
     3%  [ 1 ]
    1e
    20%
     20%  [ 6 ]
    2e
    16%
     16%  [ 5 ]
    3e
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     60%  [ 18 ]
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:21 am  
    Question #3

    Right now I am playing in a 3.5 game, but I prefer 1st edtion games. But role playing is role playing no matter what system you are running/playing in.
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:24 am  

    ??? I put 4e on the poll as well but nothing. Just give a thumbs up if you play 4th edtion. Smile
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:29 am  

    Do I really need to state the obvious, for me? Happy

    For those of you new to the boards... 2e! I do infuse some 1e rules into my game, however.

    Maybe I should start a "2e Club" or something. Wink

    -Lanthorn, 2e Cheerleader yeah, rah!
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:24 am  

    D&D 3.5, but with bits and pieces from AD&D1 and AD&D2, particularly Comeliness, "Speak Language" as a variable skill, a lot of stuff from C&T, and the faster-than-walking speeds of the older stuff. And PCs still have to roll for hit points at 1st level, and rolling "basic hit points" (better of either).
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:30 am  

    I have been playing and DMing 3.5 for a group of gamers recently, but my personal preference is 2e.

    And I can state here that Maldin prefers 2e as well. Wink
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:54 am  

    No option for Pathfinder? Neutral

    I was happy to advance through the editions until 4e stopped me cold. I really liked every earlier edition, though, especially 3.5. However, once I began playing Pathfinder, I liked it even more.

    So, Pathfinder (D&D Edition 3.75) is my preferred variation of the game. Smile

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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:24 pm  

    Over the entire course of my career, 2E has been the primary edition, but I find myself upgrading a lot of rules to 3.5 versions. If something seems clumsy or out of whack, I'll defer up to 3.5E or down to 1E as needed.
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:04 pm  

    Every edition has its pros and cons. We currently play 4e but took some time out to run a level 1-3 2e adventure and it was shocking to recall how awful all low level classes except specialised fighters were.

    DDN does seem to be incorporating a lot of element from 2e with some 3e and 4e mixed in. I like front-loaded characters who have multiple options and wont die in one hit. I l love rogues who don't suck at their skills until level 5+. I love clerics whose healing is the gravy on otherwise interesting abilities and I love wizard with at-will spells and rituals.

    I can't say for sure until the full level 1-5 playtest comes out this month but i think that DDN/5e is going to be my favourite.
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:42 pm  
    Edition Preference

    Well ... this thread is frought with danger of the Edition War, but, it seems sedate for now. Happy

    I, too, prefer Pathfinder ... in lieu of that, I put "3.5"

    Baron Zemo ... you should be able to edit the original post, and put other options ... although, I guess that if you did, it might invalidate some of the results, since some of us already voted.
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:00 pm  

    1e, but of course.
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:49 pm  
    Re: Edition Preference

    Icarus wrote:
    Well ... this thread is frought with danger of the Edition War, but, it seems sedate for now. Happy


    Too true. I made my Wisdom roll and didn't launch into my normal proclamation... I prefer to play 'nice' with others. Wink

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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:46 pm  
    Re: Edition Preference

    Lanthorn wrote:
    Icarus wrote:
    Well ... this thread is frought with danger of the Edition War, but, it seems sedate for now. Happy


    Too true. I made my Wisdom roll and didn't launch into my normal proclamation... I prefer to play 'nice' with others. Wink

    Your Friendly Neighborhood Lanthorn


    I think everybody has settled down now for the most part. We're all fellow 'Hawkers, when all is said and done.

    4e for me.
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:55 pm  

    SirXaris wrote:
    No option for Pathfinder? Neutral

    I was happy to advance through the editions until 4e stopped me cold. I really liked every earlier edition, though, especially 3.5. However, once I began playing Pathfinder, I liked it even more.

    So, Pathfinder (D&D Edition 3.75) is my preferred variation of the game. Smile

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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:31 pm  

    OK,

    If I had to choose 2e overall. It corrected a lot of inconsistencies with 1e while still keeping to its roots in 1e. While I play 3.5e it has many 2e rules in it. However, if push came to shove 2e would win for me. I mean come on it was the Sargent era of hawk. Now not taking anything away from the other editions as we can agree basic and 1e were solid systems and 3-3.5 developed on the skill system very well. I can't comment much on 4e though much of that had to do with a lack of games and some disputes I have over some of the things I've seen in the product. Though I guess you would have to play it in order to give an accurate or fair judgment. Much can be said of PF for me as well, though it seems to hinge very closely to 3.5 rules.

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    Argon wrote:
    OK,

    If I had to choose 2e overall. It corrected a lot of inconsistencies with 1e while still keeping to its roots in 1e. While I play 3.5e it has many 2e rules in it. However, if push came to shove 2e would win for me.
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    Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:44 pm  

    2e players options was the ground work for what became 3rd edition. So technically speaking most 3e fans can see the roots in 2e.

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    Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:13 am  

    I sort of like all of the game editions, though Basic and even 4E appeal less to me than the others; each for different reasons.
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    Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:59 am  

    I prefer 3.5 but AD&D 2nd edition had the best campaign worlds (Planescape, Dark Sun, Planescape). It's possible to get those campaign worlds to 3.5 too but it's not so incredibly deep as it was in the2nd edition with a horde of great supplements. 3.5 supplements just don't have the same guts.
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    Sutemi wrote:
    I prefer 3.5 but AD&D 2nd edition had the best campaign worlds (Planescape, Dark Sun, Planescape). It's possible to get those campaign worlds to 3.5 too but it's not so incredibly deep as it was in the2nd edition with a horde of great supplements. 3.5 supplements just don't have the same guts.


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    Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:33 am  
    Editions change. Greyhawk endures.

    Argon wrote:
    ... I mean come on it was the Sargent era of hawk. ...
    For me, the edition of the rules system is irrelevant to the setting. I play Greyhawk by preference, regardless of what system I happen to be using. As the main page proudly proclaims, "Editions Change. Greyhawk Endures." I've been playing since the 80s, and at the end of the day, I don't care what system I'm using, if I get to play in Greyhawk.

    /quote]Much can be said of PF for me as well, though it seems to hinge very closely to 3.5 rules.[/quote] Well, to be fair, Pathfinder isn't just close!! It's practically the same game. If someone knows one, it's almost nothing to switch back and forth. It's just a revision, is all. It was originally billed as "3.75", and they even had posters with the slogan, "3.5 Survives" with the word "survives" crossed out in red paint, and the word "Thrives!" written in. Happy
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    Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:50 am  

    I like 2e, but there were so many fiddly bits I houseruled that it would have to undergo major revisions before I'd use it again RAW. I also liked 3e, but the complexity is more than I want to deal with now. Some kind of 0e/2e/3e bastardization, I guess.
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    Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:20 pm  

    This is going to be completely lame, but I played each edition listed, and really enjoyed each one. I never played 4e.

    Each system has definite areas where it is stronger than the other systems, and I honestly do not favor one over another.
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    Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:24 pm  

    Looks like the new edition is gaining the advantage. C'mon, old schoolers, let's RALLY! Razz

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    Editions we use

    Ha! Those darned kids! Young whippersnappers! Upstarts!

    ... who do you think you are? Oh, wait ... I voted with the kids! Does that mean I'm hip and cool? ... Or does that make me "that old guy" that's hanging out at the bar, still going to college, and kicking it with people half his age? Shocked Crap.

    Can I change my vote now? I wanna be a grognard. :)
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    Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:56 pm  
    Re: Editions we use

    Icarus wrote:
    I wanna be a grognard. :)


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    Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:23 am  
    It was me!

    I'm the 1 that clicked Basic. The question didn't ask what I'd prefer to use fo Greyhawk. That would be 1st Edition. Since the question was a point blank which edition, I hesitated for a moment between 1e and Basic and saw that there was no distinguishing between all the different kinds of Basic so that was for me.

    Yep, I'm the one guy that ran a "Basic" campaign while all my friends ran 1st Edition. I liked playing both and no one else was going to run Basic. Basic for me at the time didn't include OD&D but rather Molvay Basic, Cook Expert, Companion, Masters, Immortal (didn't get a chance to use though), and since I sold all that then someone gave me the Rules Cyclopedia which I used. I've since bought Holmes Basic and found OD&D but haven't used them. They're all good to read for ideas. All these systems (including 1st Edition) are so similar, don't sweat the small stuff.
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    Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:10 am  
    Re: Editions change. Greyhawk endures.

    Lanthorn wrote:
    Looks like the new edition is gaining the advantage. C'mon, old schoolers, let's RALLY!


    -Considering that that 15:5, that's gonna have to be one H377 of a rally. Razz Wink

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    ...For me, the edition of the rules system is irrelevant to the setting. I play Greyhawk by preference, regardless of what system I happen to be using. As the main page proudly proclaims, "Editions Change. Greyhawk Endures." I've been playing since the 80s, and at the end of the day, I don't care what system I'm using, if I get to play in Greyhawk...


    -I'm largely with Icarus, except I wouldn't say that the rules system is completely irrelevant. The system is a mechanism through which the story is told. I happen to think that D&D 3.5 allows each character (PC or NPC) to be individualized a little better (skills, feats). But Greyhawk is the only one I'm interested in DMing, and the one I'd prefer to play. Greyhawk is the princess, the rules system is the handmaiden.

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    Ha! Those darned kids! Young whippersnappers! Upstarts!

    ... who do you think you are? Oh, wait ... I voted with the kids! Does that mean I'm hip and cool?


    - Laughing

    Actually, I didn't follow it closely enough to keep track, but one of the things which probably would have turned me off of D&D 4.0 is the "we're hip!" "we're cool!" "bam!" "k-powwie!" that some posters (I forget who) detected in the advertising (something like "we don't go traipsining through elven rings! ka-powwie!" or some such).

    Nothing screams "I'm not cool" quite as much as screaming about how cool and hip you are.

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    ... Or does that make me "that old guy" that's hanging out at the bar, still going to college, and kicking it with people half his age?


    -Ding ding ding!

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    Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:01 pm  

    Yeah, I think us 'old timers' of 1e and 2e are going extinct...gotta recruit more heavily from this younger generation, methinks! "Look into the Eyes of the Lanthorn..." Shocked

    Agreed about the edition or rules being pertinent to individual tastes, James. Each of us gravitates towards a specific edition for a reason. Most of us probably prefer the edition that we first used. Lots of folks these days likely don't even have a clue about 1e or 2e whatsoever since they have been largely phased out. Others of us prefer a certain edition because it fits with our gaming style. Maybe it's all about the mechanics. I know that I would be less willing to play in a game that used a different edition than I prefer, just as I would be less likely to play in a non-Greyhawk setting. Some of you may feel the same way.

    In the end, we find the niche that best suits our own unique, individual preferences, styles, and philosophies.

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    Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:43 pm  

    Played them all, and I like 3rd the best, yet fondly remember features of 2nd ed.

    Basic and 1st ed. were glorious. They are what got me to play in the first place. I do view 2nd and 3rd eds. as improvements, however.

    2nd ed. had the specialty priests for each deity which I still believe was the best solution. (As an experiment my group played about 5 levels of a 3rd ed. campaign, with everyone playing a cleric - we were not challenged at all.) 2nd ed. also had the best development of the campaign worlds as others have mentioned.

    In my opinion 4th ed..... Wait, I'm not going to go there, despite my opinions having been formed by actually playing it.

    Could 3rd ed. be better? Yes, but I prefer it because of the options for character creation/progression and for retaining a magic system that still allows for unpredictable and unanticipated results (a prerequisite for a magic system in my opinion)
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    Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:54 pm  

    Well now the 4e system is the newest though I think what curtailed it the most was that most fans were not ready to leave 3e/3.5e behind. Now, paizo said fine well keep it and polish it up then place it back on the shelf. Low and behold it out sold 3.5 e replacement. No edition war just edition lore.

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    Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:57 pm  

    Sorry 4e did not make the poll! Shocked

    O well.

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    4e makes kittens and puppys cry Evil
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    baronzemo wrote:
    4e makes kittens and puppys cry Evil

    And rude, snarky, edition sniping makes the pages in your RPG books fall out.
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    Nellisir wrote:
    And rude, snarky, edition sniping makes the pages in your RPG books fall out.
    Can I get a "like" button for this one.
    Hopefully Baron Zemo was just being playful, but, I nearly horked coffee out of my nose when I read this, Nellisir! It made me think of things like, "If you make that face, it's gonna stay that way", and " ... it'll make you go blind." Laughing
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    Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:49 pm  

    Many people can make cases for each edition. Though we all have are preferences. To each their own.

    @Icarus Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Good one!

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    Yes I was joking. Like I saidat the start of this topic "role playing is role playing no matter what system you are running/playing in"
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