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Hi,
Outside of the reference in the 1E DMG (Codex of Infinite Planes), can anyone point me to a source for the City of Brass in Greyhawk "canon?"
Any assistance will be appreciated. 
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Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:15 am
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Probably just way too obvious to point out, but the original cover of the 1e DMG show a picture of it.
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The first thought that came to my mind was the picture of the City of Brass in the Jeff Grubb Manual of the Planes for the elemental plane of fire.
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Looking at Tzelios’ Greyhawk Content of the Coloring Album there is a reference to the City of Brass. I guess if TSR or a WotC put out a coloring book, it is arguable that there is some canon there. I have not seen it so I cannot say if there is a story told or it is just a series of images, but perhaps something can be extracted such as there is a gate to or a painting of the City in a lich's castle outside of Dyvers.
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Thanks for the help! I was looking at the City of Brass product by Rob Kuntz for Hackmaster in the game store and wondering if I should buy it. I'm thinking there may not be much Greyhawk connection to the City, however.
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Rob's CoB hasn't really been published fully: the Kenzer version is only 1/2 Rob's work, and 1/2 another author's work. (It also doesn't relate directly to the "To the City of Brass" RPGA tourney on this site and the Acaeum).
IIRC, in Rob's 100% complete ms. that Kenzer didn't publish, there are some nods toward GH, but it's not really set in GH explicity per se, since it's mostly about the Elemental Plane of Fire.
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| grodog wrote: |
Rob's CoB hasn't really been published fully: the Kenzer version is only 1/2 Rob's work, and 1/2 another author's work. (It also doesn't relate directly to the "To the City of Brass" RPGA tourney on this site and the Acaeum).
IIRC, in Rob's 100% complete ms. that Kenzer didn't publish, there are some nods toward GH, but it's not really set in GH explicity per se, since it's mostly about the Elemental Plane of Fire. |
Hmmm. With the Tzunk/Tzoonk references, the City of Brass would seem to fit nicely within Greyhawk's orbit. Its disappointing to hear that the Kenzer version is so "sanitized."
Thank you for the information.  Still not sure if I'll spring for this one. I understand Necromancer Games/SSS will be doing a City of Brass as well. And then there was the Al-Qadim "Secrets of the Lamp" which also dealt with the City of Brass. Choices, choices, choices. 
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| GVDammerung wrote: |
| Hmmm. With the Tzunk/Tzoonk references, the City of Brass would seem to fit nicely within Greyhawk's orbit. Its disappointing to hear that the Kenzer version is so "sanitized." |
Yeah. I have vague hope that Rob's ms. will eventually see the light of day in some other form, but who knows....
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| Thank you for the information. |
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| Still not sure if I'll spring for this one. I understand Necromancer Games/SSS will be doing a City of Brass as well. |
I'm quite excited by the NG CoB project, it sounds good. Thanael's links should fill you in on the two CoB books coming out at the end of this year and the beginning of 2006.
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| And then there was the Al-Qadim "Secrets of the Lamp" which also dealt with the City of Brass. Choices, choices, choices. |
I have that boxed set, it's the only Al-Qadim book/supplement that I own. The maps (drawn by Dave Sutherland) are quite goood, and the content's not too bad either. It's worth picking up if you can find a copy for $10-$15 or so.
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GVD, if you haven't already (I realize that I am jumping in the thread rather late), buy it.
I can send you additional home material that I have created and used for a spring-board into the city with heavy Greyhawk ties and emphasis too, if you would like. 7mb worth.
email me if you want the stuff, I'm short on time lately, which unforteunately means short on Canonfire visits...
abyss@canonfire.com
also, feel free to link to the Readers Workshop thread ocncerning my Fiend-Sage of Rel Astra article. I know it's not perfect but it ties Greyhawk and the Planes together, which is the purpose of this forum, no?
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Abyss, which do you mean he shoudl buy? The Al Qadim box? or City of Brass?
Also I might be interested in those otes too...
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It sounded like abyss was suggesting that he buy the Kenzer version (I'll also recommend the Al Q'adim version as well in Secrets of the Lamp, especially for the Dave Sutherland maps!).
FWIW, copies of Rob's unpublished CoB ms. were auctioned and sold for $200+ back in May-June or so.
Also, the NG version of CoB is being delayed until GenCon 2006, per info mentioned in those forums in the past few days. See http://p096.ezboard.com/fnecromancergamesfrm9.showMessage?topicID=2500.topic
Abyss, I'd definitely like to peruse your additional materials: would you please send them to me as well? Also, have you considered writing them up for CF!?
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Kenzer's City of Brass book is kind of cool, and has some stuff worth stealing, but the version presented in Al Qadim's Secrets of the Lamp box was far superior (and it mentions Tzunk and his legacy several times). The Al Qadim text is far less... cartoonish, I guess is the word - not just because Sir Robilar's guide is Hackmaster, but because of all the gibberish names and adjective clans (the fact that the efreet are divided into "clans" in the first place) and overly simple efreeti/fire troll/fire giant/human population. Secrets of the Lamp has a feel far closer to the 1001 Arabian Nights, and is at the same time very closely integrated into the pre-Planescape AD&D cosmology (except the para-elemental and quasi-elemental planes are not mentioned).
Note that you can preview the Kenzer book on Amazon.com.
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| rasgon wrote: |
| Note that you can preview the Kenzer book on Amazon.com. |
For the lazy:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1594590036/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-7516735-8904137#reader-link
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| Wolfsire wrote: |
| Looking at Tzelios’ Greyhawk Content of the Coloring Album there is a reference to the City of Brass. I guess if TSR or a WotC put out a coloring book, it is arguable that there is some canon there. I have not seen it so I cannot say if there is a story told or it is just a series of images, but perhaps something can be extracted such as there is a gate to or a painting of the City in a lich's castle outside of Dyvers. |
It was published by Troubador Press under TSR license. Actually, according to my interpretation (which is pure logic, as rigorous proof as possible, therefore it serves truth), the castle of the lich Grusyin is the first realization of ToEE, implied in T1-4. Also, there is chance that it was not Tzunk the wizard in stasis inside the Coloring Album, but I doubt this possibility. It is too stretched to believe that Gygax, the author of the Coloring Album, when associating the wizard in stasis with the City of Brass, did not mean wizard Tzunk.
Other than that, after Rasgon, I got to find Secrets of the Lamp.
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Also, I am pretty sure that if RJK had full control over the product, Rasgon would probably have different opinion.
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| grodog wrote: |
It sounded like abyss was suggesting that he buy the Kenzer version (I'll also recommend the Al Q'adim version as well in Secrets of the Lamp, especially for the Dave Sutherland maps!).
Abyss, I'd definitely like to peruse your additional materials: would you please send them to me as well? Also, have you considered writing them up for CF!? |
and after grodog for the Sutherland maps:)
Abyss you may even consider the OJ.
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"published by Troubador Press under TSR license"- thanks Tzelios, that had me stumped.
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There's also a version in the 3.5 Planar handbook.
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