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Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:46 am Shield Lands - Informations needed

Hi,

I wonder if exists somewhere any informations about Shield Lands and his two dozens rulers (names, family, origins, coat of arms, territories etc.)

I found a map of Sheild Lands where we can see site as Lardon,Gensal, Ringland, Bolam, Laws Forge ....

I wrong if I think theses places represent keeps or small cities belonging to the rulers ??

I would like to write an adventure who begin before war (570-579 cy) during the war and after the war (584-592cy) so if theses informations exist I don't want to waste my time to create something who already exist

Merci to everyone

Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:29 am

Aside from LG Shield Lands modules, your best source for those locations will probably be WGR5 - Iuz the Evil and Return to White Plume Mountain. I know there is some specific information on Ringland and Law's Forge.

Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:43 am

thanks
I have Iuz module and RWPM

but where I can get LG Shield Lands modules ?

Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:42 am

There might be some former Shield Lands triad members on Canonfire who could help you out with that.

Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:37 pm

The article "Valor is Our Blood!" in Dungeon Magazine #113 is a good resource.

And, just so you know, one of the little quirks in the English language is that "information" is already a plural form, so you can't add an 's' to the end.

Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:34 pm

my English is not good.. I know it Wink

thanks for that I appreciate. Smile

Information without "S" ... I will not forget it
rolleyes

Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:51 pm Re: Shield Lands - Informations needed

Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:51 pm

T'were 'Franz Torkeep' and 'Sir Bluto Sans Pite'. Wink

SirXaris

Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:23 am

Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:17 am

It's my intention to dig through the modules, although they are letter S and I'm only on letter C for County of Urnst at the moment. You might also find information on local rulers in some of the Meta-org documents. I think generally, the nation was a semi-independent Earldom of Furyondy and was made up of baronies, which were probably just tracts of land surrounding a keep or castle. Katarina was from Walworth, although I can't recall if she ruled it as a barony prior to becoming Countess. My own PC is an Shield Land exile whose late father had been a baron but since our campaign has only moved from 582 CY to 588 CY in the last 20 years the question of inheritance has yet to arise!

Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:27 am

and how and where I can get Living Greyhawk Shield Lands modules..

there is a cost to get it ?

Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:36 am

You might want to join this Yahoo! Group. I suspect they have lots of good information in the Files section.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shield-lands-lg/

Don

Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:15 am

Found this:

Bohdon Earl Lyndon Bohdon
Sharn Earl Simen Sharn
Sharn Regent Natan Enarick
Arbas Count Landon Arbas
Bladehone Count Garridan Bladehone
Danjor Earl Reynald Danjor
Deleven Countess Anela Deleven
Docamald Countess Tereza Docamald
Harryn Countess Clarina Harryn
Jakartai Count Colman Jakartai
Jondo Count Mander Jondo
Korsen Countess Dylala Korsen
Lardon Count Janek Lardon
Nalren Countess Marketa Nalren
Olenak Countess Carlene Olenak
Reyneld Earl Janszen Reyneld
Shepkote Countess Manya Shepkote
Torkeep Count Franz Tokeep
Walworth Countess Katarina Walworth
Yaldon Earl Planton Yaldon
Bolam Count Bolam
Delcomben Earl Delcomben
Gensal Count Gensal
Rendor Count Rendor
Stahzer Count Stahzer

Personally, since the leader of the nation is an Earl, I would have made the other lords Viscounts and Barons but there you go. I always thought that Franz Torkeep was a baron too. Perhaps when re-establishing the nation the council of lords elevated everybody to a more senior noble positions? Considering how small the nation is compared to Furyondy, I does seem to be chock full of nobles, although most are still in exile.

Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:38 am

I was not involved with the LGG, but followed its results - so grain of salt.

IIRC; a triad member mentioned the ruling count of the shield lands was "first among equals". Under that premise perhaps that is the reason for the numerous counts and countesses. It does seem rather odd.

Second, following the reclamation, several "shirt tail" relations of dubious lineage rushed to claim vacant titles. Several outright frauds are suspected as proof is thin on the ground and the returned noble heirs squabble amongst each other over the various claims. The large number of nobles could reflect the claimants easily whittled down as frauds are uncovered and disputes settled. Of course, the true heirs need not triumph, lots of factions means role-playing opportunities.

Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:02 am

Well, it isn't that odd in itself, it just looks a bit odd when compared to Furyondy which is a larger nation with far fewer nobles of count status. The hierarchy of WoG nobility is pretty fuzzy anyway (in Keoland the titles are fairly meaningless and the nobles are treated equally in the court of the land) and over-inflated titles would speak to the Shield Landers' arrogance that led to their downfall.

Even so, I might still adjust them to be Viscounts if only because with so many nobles in such a small space, their realms are likely to be little more than the size of baronies of a few dozen miles each.

Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:29 pm

Let me just add for the record that finding anything on the Shield Lands during the Living Greyhawk is an exercise in frustration!

here is what I could find about the SL modules from LG.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11QsxcDqRtfPh6os9PIQIuP1HZQlQ7MqhGU4PruM-zo8/edit?authkey=CLygg2E&hl=en_US
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Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:04 pm Shield Lands LG mods

You just haven't asked the right person then! Wink

Send me a PM, I may be able to help.

TT
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Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:19 am

Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:35 pm

Hi,

first of all..thanks to everyone for these information,

I appreciate Smile

specially to PaulN6... thanks to you... to have found the names of the noble ones ... By the way where did you find them ??

Regards

Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:04 pm Re: Shield Lands - Informations needed

Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:07 pm

Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:09 am

My upcoming BK supplements will cover Redhand in depth. In the LG BK mod summary, all BK mods, including those set in Redhand, are summarized. In my BK Rogues' Gallery, Zeech's history, as envisioned by myself and the Living Greyhawk campaign is detailed. In my BK gazetteer, the history of Redhand is detailed, including Zeech's rise to power and succession from the Shield Lands, surrender to Iuz and his final redemption when he decides to fight Iuz. Granted, none of those are available at this time, but the mod summary is in final editing stages, the Rogues' Gallery is about half-way done, and the gazetteer is about half-way done. Age of Worms was not canon for Living Greyhawk (and personally, I think it was too high-powered plus it failed by not mentioning Iuz's control of Redhand, iirc) but I think I borrowed some family names at Britt Frey's urging.

--Aurdraco (forgot to sign out of my SC campaign login)

Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:32 pm

Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:16 pm

Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:06 pm

Well, for one thing, Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk took place in 597 CY, so the note about the timeline freezing forever was wrong. WotC books never included the disclaimer Ryan Dancy mentioned.

I do remember Ryan Dancy saying at the time that only the D&D Gazetteer would be considered canonical for core products, and I've always assumed that was true throughout the 3e era until they specifically said that core books didn't assume Greyhawk as the default world anymore (which they pretty much only ever did in 3.0, with some exceptions). The Living Greyhawk Gazetteer was never canonical for the core world, and I'm sure Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk wasn't canonical for the core world (which didn't really even exist at that point anyway) either.

But! The question of whether or not something is canonical for "core" D&D modules is different from the question of whether or not it's canonical for Greyhawk in general. Because there were multiple Greyhawk continuities throughout the 2000s: "core" continuity, which was a very bare-bones; so bare-bones, in fact, that while it might have seemed like a good design basis for generic products to Ryan Dancy, it's of extremely limited use; Living Greyhawk continuity, which includes the LGG, the Living Greyhawk Journals, and everything else all the LGG people came up with; and Paizo continuity, which included all the Paizohawk adventure paths and their supplemental material, plus Fiendish Codex I, Expedition to the Demonweb Pits, Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk, and essentially everything else they felt like stuffing in there.

"Canon" is admittedly a term of limited use, and I'd be happy if no one ever used it again. There is a sense, probably, in which the D&D Gazetteer is the only canon Greyhawk book, but that argument seems kind of silly to me.

Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:23 pm

Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:24 am

As has always been the way, I'm finding that mixing and matching works best in your home campaign. I've poached events from LG and played them earlier in the timeline (trying to avoid major historical events though). It's probably possible to merge locations and npcs from Dungeon and LG to end up with a version that suits your campaign. I thought the Dungeon version of Alhaster was perhaps a bit high magic for my campaign, which started during 1e (just prior to 2e) so I am likely to tone that down a bit. I find LG to be a bit high magic sometimes too (with mage schools in towns of fairly modest size) so I'm likely to tone down many locations there too. I'm happy with there being only a handful of mage schools around the world in large, powerful cities with the majority of spell-casters being taught in the good old master/apprentice method from so many old school fairy stories.

Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:04 am

Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:56 pm

Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:13 pm

I just read the ghwiki article.

-I imagined him more as a renegade Shield Lander or Furyondian. I guess I still can, because:

1) Just because he was a "local knight" in CY 565 doesn't mean his origin wasn't elsewhere (as with most of the CofG's "heroes").

2) It's my world, and I'm welcome to it! Evil Grin

Especially since it's Living Greyhawk. Wink

I did have the impression that the atrocity was more recent, though.

Oh well, so much for helping Mydrianor on that, though...

Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:05 pm

A lot of ideas and suggestions ...very interesting ..
and i appreciate that

Someone coud tell me what happed in 590 where there are many disapearances of poor folk in Ten Town neaby critwall..

I read The Hooded ones could be the responsible..is it true ?

if so why: slavers, sacrifices, food, money... all answers ??

I also read agents of Iuz coud be the responsible ....or something else coming from the ground as Dark Elf...or other monsters...

where is the true about that...

it is a new rising of slavelords...Rhenee could also responsible ?