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    Mon May 29, 2017 9:57 am  
    (Ghost) Possession

    Thought I'd get some thoughts on the following question:

    1) When a ghost successfully possesses (Magic Jars) a victim, does said ghost have access to his/her memories, skills, and knowledge?

    In essence, does the ghost get the victim's proficiencies, languages, fighting abilities, and magic spell-casting (except clerical, of course)?

    Or is the body now merely an empty shell with the ghost acting as the puppet-master?

    2) If the ghost is possessing the newly inhabited body, what HD and THACO are used, especially if the ghost does NOT have access to the memories, skills, and knowledge of the original occupant? It doesn't seem 'reasonable' to use the ghost's HD and THACO since it is now inhabiting an empty shell and not using its semi-corporeal form. Would it merely be 1 HD and a 20 THACO for humans, etc.?

    3) Is there a way to recover the removed spirit of the deceased? I know that a "simple" Raise Dead is not enough. Does it take something along the lines of a Wish or Miracle spell? Would a Resurrection work?

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    Mon May 29, 2017 9:50 pm  
    Re: (Ghost) Possession

    This is a magic jar effect, as per the spell, but there is no receptacle required and no displacement of the original soul of the target body to any receptacle. The body is possessed. This isn't two minds in one body with complete and utter mental domination of one over the other, such that the knowledge and abilities of the host are known to, and usable by, the ghost. The original soul is merely suppressed - literally it is trapped in a helpless state in its own body while the ghost inhabits the body. Excerpted from magic jar, with [ghost] bits added by me:

    The caster [ghost] can call upon rudimentary or instinctive knowledge of the subject creature, but not upon its real or acquired knowledge (i.e., the wizard [ghost] does not automatically know the language or spells of the creature). The caster [ghost] retains his own attack rolls, class knowledge and training, and any adjustments due to his Intelligence or Wisdom. If the host body is human or humanoid, and the necessary spell components are available, the wizard [ghost] can even use his memorized spells. The host body retains its own hit points and physical abilities and properties. The DM decides if any additional modifications are necessary; for example, perhaps clumsiness or inefficiency occurs if the caster [ghost] must become used to the new form. The alignment of the host or receptacle is that of the occupying life force [ghost].

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    Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:54 pm  

    My understanding is that the soul/spirit of the unfortunate victim is violently ripped from the body and cast out when the ghost successfully possesses him/her, potentially into oblivion!

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