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    Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion
    Posted on Tue, December 04, 2001 by Dogadmin
    MerricB writes "The following article is speculation as to how events might take place in the G1-3, D1-3 & Q1 series of modules. D3 being what it is, there is a wide variance as to how that module might fall out, but this may give you ideas as to how you could run it.

    Author: MerricB


    Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion

    by MerricB. Used with Permission. Do not repost without obtaining prior permission from the author.

    It is generally assumed by most people that the events described in the GDQ series were all orchestrated by Lolth, and that the adventurers in Q1: Queen of the Demonweb Pits are simply facing the ultimate manipulator behind the giant raids. To those reading the modules, it becomes apparent that this cannot be the case; as Eclavdra no longer serves Lolth, and is instead trying to set up a rival worship to an Elder Elemental God.

    As such, it becomes entirely improbable that Lolth has anything to do with the Giant raids. What then are the adventurers doing in the Demonweb? The explanation is quite simple: Eclavdra has manipulated the entire thing.

    Lolth, as most demons do, loves conquest. One can see from the portals to other worlds on her Demonweb that she is quite skilled at it. However, these other conquests had distracted her from Oerth. When Eclavdra turned rebel, Lolth believed this was just another manisfestation of the rivalry she had encouraged between the various Drow Houses, and did not investigate further.

    Eclavdra was quite daring in her rebellion, however, contacting an Elder Elemental God and swearing to serve it rather than Lolth. Thus House Eilservs, the most powerful house in the Vault of the Drow, broke away from the domination of Lolth - and Lolth didn't even realise!

    Eclavdra, seeing her plans for dominance in the Vault stymied by the resistance of most of the other drow, then turned her attention to the (by then) almost mythical surface world. By some cutting negotiation and some displays of superior power, she managed to form the alliance of giants that the adventurers meet in Against the Giants.

    Eclavdra did have a back-up plan, however - in the event of her plans being foiled in the upper world, she would lead those responsible into the Vault, and hopefully there they would cause enough chaos for House Eilservs to take its proper place as ultimate rulers of the Vault of the Drow. This then is the explanation of the mysterious map of the underworld 'accidentally dropped' by the retreating Drow.

    Once the adventurers got to the Vault of the Drow, Eclavdra manuevered them into the position of thinking that Lolth, the goddess of the dark elves, must be responsible for all of this. With the priests of Lolth so determined to stop the aboveworld incursion, things proved much easier - as well, all intelligence the party could gather on the Drow indicated that they served Lolth, few indeed knew of the split of House Eilservs and their embracement of the Elder Elemental God!

    Thus the adventurers were manuevered onto the Demonweb. To say that Lolth was surprised to find a party of powerful adventurers had invaded her spider-ship understates things hugely. She was not prepared at all for this incursion.

    If, as is the case with many versions of the fall-out of Q1, Lolth is slain, the Drow priesthood suddenly found themselves in an untenable position, with only the most minor spells (1st & 2nd level) still being available for their command. Eclavdra, at the head of House Eilservs, once again bid for domination of the Vault, and this time - after several decades of struggle - was successful.

    At last the Drow have become united under a strong leader; their chaotic tendencies at least slightly muted towards neutrality - and perhaps the surface world had look for a new threat to soon appear.

    The resolution of the events in the Vault of the Drow is greatly dependent on the individual Dungeon Master. The implication in the Gord the Rogue books is that Eclavdra's plan was discovered, she was banished from the Vault, and then started serving the demon-prince Graz'zt; in TSR Greyhawk we have little indication of the events, but it is likely that Lolth was not killed, and Eclavdra slain.

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    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by grodog on Tue, December 04, 2001
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    An interesting line of reasoning, Merric, and one I had not followed as fully as you do during my previous musings on GDQ.

    We know that Q1 differed substantially from EGG's original vision for it, and that he was disappointed in the final product as published, but was forced to release Q1 as we know it by TSR's management at the time. I wonder if EGG's original ideas on Q1 would have featured more interplay between the EEG vs. Lolth.

    grodog



    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by manicmidwife on Tue, December 04, 2001
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    Should we regard this as true, as well as regarding another module, Dead Gods, as canon, then at some point after Eilserves is crushed (quite literally!) in a civil war - this time instigated by Lolth. This is bourne out in a fading land in the Crypt of Lyzandred the Mad.



    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by Scottenkainen on Fri, December 07, 2001
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    Eclavdra's cunning machinations did not go at all as planned, then, when I ran the modules. Eclavdra was killed, the heroes got bored of fighting troglodytes in D1 and the campaign ended. Lolth wins!



    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by manicmidwife on Fri, December 07, 2001
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    Yes, that's the spirit!


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    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by MerricB on Fri, December 07, 2001
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    Hehe! In actual fact, Gygax provides for Eclavdra's death by telling us that in D3 that if she was killed in G3, her consort will have cloned her.

    This is not the only time Gygax talks about cloning Eclavdra - it actually occurs in the Gord the Rogue books, in Sea of Death.

    One wonders if Eclavdra was cloned in Gygax's personal campaign?

    Cheers,
    Merric



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    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by Blackdog on Fri, December 07, 2001
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    You know, I never considered this...

    Way back when I ran Q1, Lolth was killed and the drow were left godless and are (in my campaign) going the way of the Koa Toa (who are, again in my campaign, now extinct). This is interesting. Maybe the dark elves are in for a renaissance...



    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by rasgon (notnotallowedyet@hotmail.com) on Thu, December 20, 2001
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    Of course, in more recent Greyhawk products Eclavdra is still alive, and serving Lolth.

    Maybe she was serving Lolth all along, and only pretending to worship the EEG in order to draw out traitors.

    Or maybe she was killed, and this is a clone of Eclavdra, and the clone has different religious affiliations.



    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by MerricB on Thu, December 20, 2001
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    Eclavdra serving Lolth is a misreading of the source material, I feel.

    Probably a clone, or a forcible conversion.

    Where is she mentioned in later Greyhawk products?

    Cheers,
    Merric


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    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by Selic on Wed, January 09, 2002
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    Eclavdra is mentioned in Iuz the evil as a follower of Lolth, of course some dislike Sargent's work and consider it blasphemy, while others enjoy it. Personally, it was a lot more in-depth and useful than some of the numerous other contradictory sources out there on Greyhawk.


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    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by Rob on Tue, March 12, 2002
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    Uncanny. About 20 years ago I had exactly the same underlying reasoning and exact outcome for our GDQ campaign. The immediate result was a stronger more unified city under the Eilservs . . . and may more and worse drow surface encroachments over the next 3 years of play!



    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 0)
    by Anonymous on Wed, February 05, 2003
    I too followed the same line of reasoning those many years ago. It seemed pretty obvious, although perhaps there were revisions to the original material over the years to hide the evidence. The end result, after Eclavdra being captured in G3 and later slipping one of the PCs a philter of love, was Eclavdra taking over the Slaver's operation in the surface world, being the REAL power being Torush Mak (sp?), and using the money and forces gained from her surface world conquests to return to the Vault and dominate the other houses.

    Don


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    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by Gnarley_Woodsman on Fri, August 29, 2003
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    I had come to a similar conclusion myself.

    In WGR5 Iuz the Evil, Eclavdra is listed a drow ambassador. She is listed as a priestess of Lolth. Monty Cook's Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil provides some back story that would be great to exploit.

    In the background of the temple it states that Zuggtomy, Iuz, and Lolth were all fooled into supporting the Temple by agents of the Elder elemental god. It further goes on to state that the EGG and Tharizdun are in fact one in the same.

    Now we could assume Eclavdra is masquerading as a priestess of Lolth. So as not to alarm other powers to the immanent return of the EGG. Her purpose as ambassador to Iuz to have strong allyt on the surface. Once again manipulating Iuz for her new Drow Empire in the Vault.

    This is infact the campaign I have running for nearly a year.



    Re: Upon the True History of the Drow/Giant Incursion (Score: 1)
    by SirXaris on Fri, April 22, 2011
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    I assume you mean EEG (Elder Elemental God) rather than EGG (E. Gary Gygax). ;)

    SirXaris


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