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  Topic: Death to Boccub! Or, Death to Boccub?
Gravenhurst

Replies: 15
Views: 21775

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:11 pm   Subject: More ramblings!
For one thing, mortals don't "have" gods- the gods simply *are*.
I like that, "simply are," like Erik B. & Rakim, yo! Actually, D&D's default setting (which is Greyhawk) of deities aren’t re ...
  Topic: Death to Boccub! Or, Death to Boccub?
Gravenhurst

Replies: 15
Views: 21775

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:15 pm   Subject: Re: Death to Boccub! Or, Death to Boccub?
Unlike FR, Oerth gods aren't sticking their D!@K in everything and must follow the Pact of Nonintervention. In FR the PC's are little more that motes of dust in a world filled with active gods and Ep ...
  Topic: Death to Boccub! Or, Death to Boccub?
Gravenhurst

Replies: 15
Views: 21775

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:46 pm   Subject: Re: Death to Boccub! Or, Death to Boccub?
Are there any ritual suggestions? I have been looking to Open Source companies for ideas. Not much in D&D land. I know 1stE in Unearthed Arcana tried to explore options and I think too many fans c ...
  Topic: Death to Boccub! Or, Death to Boccub?
Gravenhurst

Replies: 15
Views: 21775

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:29 pm   Subject: Wizards over clerics!
There are arcane spells that mimic healing powers, but they usually involve a transfer of life essence from one creature to another to "heal" them. If the Mages of Power could only learn that final m ...
  Topic: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Gravenhurst

Replies: 58
Views: 62622

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:39 am   Subject: Re: Shuffling from main thread, oh my!
I'd just like to point out that this is completely false on an objective level. Greyhawk was designed to function within the 1st edition rules, not the 3e rules. While any rules can be used with G ...
  Topic: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Gravenhurst

Replies: 58
Views: 62622

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:40 am   Subject: Shuffling from main thread, oh my!
I tend to have my posts stray from the main thread. And here we are shuffling away from 4thE demons into devils.

Should I be starting a new thread for this topic as it seems there is much that can ...
  Topic: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Gravenhurst

Replies: 58
Views: 62622

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:05 am   Subject: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Yes I see the entry in Fiend Folio. How could I have forgotten her bulbous art photo! Confused

I agree that the 1E were considered the main source on the World of Greyhawk, I just wondered if the new ...
  Topic: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Gravenhurst

Replies: 58
Views: 62622

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:47 am   Subject: I Lolth a demon first or a god first?
The 4e alignment system doesn't particularly support designations such as Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil. Alignment is, in fact, largely irrelevant from what has been revealed. Both 4e demons and devils ...
  Topic: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Gravenhurst

Replies: 58
Views: 62622

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 9:29 am   Subject: Don't go anywhere yet!
Remember me telling you I can get long winded in my discussions! I’ll work on editing my last two posts if I’m losing peeps!

Keeping it simple, I have given a few reasons on how demons can be misco ...
  Topic: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Gravenhurst

Replies: 58
Views: 62622

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:37 pm   Subject: Super long rebuttal for demons, no devils, no demons....
I'd just like to point out that law and chaos is about how one acts, not about how one looks. Lolth most certainly acts chaotic, regardless of whether or not you think a dark elf form is suitable for ...
  Topic: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Gravenhurst

Replies: 58
Views: 62622

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:02 pm   Subject: Super long post, lawful minded can read, chaotic minded skip
The point with demons is this; a line has needed to be drawn with demons and devils for along time ever since Gary Gygax (EGG) was asked about the differences between the two. I personally have placed ...
  Topic: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Gravenhurst

Replies: 58
Views: 62622

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:52 pm   Subject: Re: Eryines are angels too!
In Greek mythology Erinyes were angels of vengeance used by the gods to act out punishment on mortals. Translation through the centuries vilified them because some Erinyes were portrayed, like the Fur ...
  Topic: Me Grognard. This Greyhawk.
Gravenhurst

Replies: 55
Views: 67366

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:29 pm   Subject: Demons no more, yay!
And demons are not the types who prefer to eat with their hands and no bib any more than devils are. Graz'zt surely plays the sophisticate, as does Iuz even though he is known for his unpredictable r ...
  Topic: Me Grognard. This Greyhawk.
Gravenhurst

Replies: 55
Views: 67366

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:04 am   Subject: Me Grognard. This Greyhawk.
The change is rather more extreme than you seem to think. Demon lords like Graz'zt and Malcanthet require massive rewriting, because their "shtick" is now only for devils. Frankly, most of the wo ...
  Topic: Me Grognard. This Greyhawk.
Gravenhurst

Replies: 55
Views: 67366

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:25 am   Subject: Conversion is easy, but sucks too!
I think you're missing the point. We don't want to "make it work". It already works. Why should we have to rewrite whatever they come up with when they shouldn't have mucked with it in the first place ...
  Topic: Overgod
Gravenhurst

Replies: 37
Views: 32505

PostForum: World of Greyhawk Discussion   Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:31 pm   Subject: Overgod
I'm not totally against thread necromancy, particulalry here at Canonfire! where the material is fairly static, but when people post new messages as if the thread and all of its posters are currently ...
  Topic: Death to Boccub! Or, Death to Boccub?
Gravenhurst

Replies: 15
Views: 21775

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:21 pm   Subject: Death to Boccub! Or, Death to Boccub?
Coincidently, I have been playing with the same idea as WotC has with the new 4thE Forgotten Realms having a spell plague, caused by the death of the god of magic. This now allows everyone to not have ...
  Topic: Overgod
Gravenhurst

Replies: 37
Views: 32505

PostForum: World of Greyhawk Discussion   Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 1:25 pm   Subject: Re: Overgod
There are figures in Gygax's novels that may be analogous to the concept of an Overgod. Who are they? Lady Tolerance, Master Entropy, and Proctor Chronos are some. For summaries of these figures and ...
  Topic: Me Grognard. This Greyhawk.
Gravenhurst

Replies: 55
Views: 67366

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:26 pm   Subject: Re: Me Grognard. This Greyhawk.
The basic assumptions of GH and D&D are being undermined. Demons as mindless "engines of destruction? So much for Grazzt, Iuz, Iggwilv, Zuggtomy, the Maures, Lolth, the drow as worshippers of L ...
  Topic: Tharizdun and 4E
Gravenhurst

Replies: 38
Views: 49773

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 11:37 am   Subject: Tharizdun and 4E
Look on the bright side:

When 4.0 hits the shelves, your copies of the 1983 boxed set will not burst into flame and be destroyed. And given that, I must assume that Greyhawk must be safe.

I'm st ...
  Topic: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Gravenhurst

Replies: 58
Views: 62622

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 11:22 am   Subject: Erinyes passing off the baton to the Succubus!
Groan, here we go again with the tinkering of lower planes creatures. Except now instead of renaming them it’s a reordering. The new Biblical backstory is fine I guess, but that succubi reversal will ...
  Topic: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Gravenhurst

Replies: 58
Views: 62622

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:26 am   Subject: Hell over the Abyss!
I've always kinda preferred Hell over the Abyss to be honest. Wink

Me too! I understand on how the D&D creators wanted to have a plane of existence for all alignments, such as LE & CE, bu ...
  Topic: Reshuffling Devils and Demons in 4e - Oh My!
Gravenhurst

Replies: 58
Views: 62622

PostForum: Greyhawk- D&D 4th Edition   Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:50 am   Subject: Eryines are angels too!
In Greek mythology Erinyes were angels of vengeance used by the gods to act out punishment on mortals. Translation through the centuries vilified them because some Erinyes were portrayed, like the Fur ...
  Topic: Tharzidun
Gravenhurst

Replies: 26
Views: 15034

PostForum: World of Greyhawk Discussion   Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:37 am   Subject: Tharzidun
Is there a point to your post Gravenhurst??? Question

It looks like quite an elaborate response to Mike's original post, but inside the quote box instead of outside of it. That makes it hard to read, b ...
  Topic: Tharzidun
Gravenhurst

Replies: 26
Views: 15034

PostForum: World of Greyhawk Discussion   Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:58 pm   Subject: Re: Tharzidun
"I am working out a campaign, and have decided I am concentrating on Tharizdun, specifically dealing with the Lost Caverns and the Forgotten Temple of Tharizdun..."

You could use the 2ndE AD&D ...
  Topic: Demigods of Oerth
Gravenhurst

Replies: 28
Views: 23202

PostForum: World of Greyhawk Discussion   Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:35 pm   Subject: Demigods of Oerth
Reply to xammer99 & cwslyclgh: Kelanen is a hero-god in AD&D Greyhawk Player's Guide, which is the same status as quasi-deity in D&D 3rd Edition.

General: How about adding Joramy (NG) a ...
  Topic: Demigods of Oerth
Gravenhurst

Replies: 28
Views: 23202

PostForum: World of Greyhawk Discussion   Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:24 pm   Subject: Demigods of Oerth
Vecna is a great idea. I haven't thought about putting him in the microwave magic absorbing god machine. I have scoured my library and nothing explains how he became a Lesser Deity! And this all happe ...
 
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