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You are too kind, sir. I thank you! Embarassed

How does the date of the Battle of Pesh here jive with its mention as having occurred in the Flanaess in the LGG apocrypha?

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If your payday at the end of the caravan is big enough - it'd be worth the pain of the bribes they'd need to pay in Thornward. The kind of goods that would be transported along the Great Western Road ...

What you said:

The article does not "fail to mention a clockwork warmachine", it explicitly says that such a notion is ridiculous. It therefore does not assume an outcome for the module, it states ...

It is not the place of WotC web articles to invalidate canon material.

**Looks in contract. Fails to find this clause anywhere. Shrugs.**

If you want to read that the article invalidates the c ...

Well - the article doesn't actually nerf anything the (terrible, terrible) Doomgrinder module says. It just says that most sages consider the warmachine theory to be fanciful.

The article actually ...

As others have said, the Theocracy of the Pale is the perfect setting for zealous witchhunters.

A friend of mine ran a very interesting couple of campaign sessions in the Pale. He depicted it as a ...

You realize you just created Mordy in the best tradition of Elminster except he doesn't sleep around? The "Mordy's Masterplan" thing can be overdone and your hypothesis, IMO, overdoes it to a fairth ...

My thoughts jive along with Woesinger and Erik and how I envisioned things to have gone down in my campaign is that Mordy had a bone to pick with Otiluke and Tenser was simply trying to tip things too ...

I'll note that Bilarro is also the name of the former ruling house of Highport, as referenced in Slavers.

::Snip ::

Who knows? It might be a cooincidence -- the Bilarros of Highport may be tota ...

LG was always going to have a cut off point. It was always a matter of when and not if (and it was always very likely that 4e would be that when).

Reflecting on LG's legacy, it has to be said it's ...

I haven't got Expedition yet, but the Internet didn't get where it is today by letting ignorance of the facts get in the way of a good post. :)

The Robilar evil twin Skippy theory (in the last form ...

I'll note that Bilarro is also the name of the former ruling house of Highport, as referenced in Slavers.

Cat, meet pigeons. :)

Baking hot summers on the central Yeoman plain, retreat to the cool hill stations the only recourse - I like it.

It's exactly what happened in India during the British Raj. To avoid the unbearable ...

Water is not present as surface water due to the geologic nature of the soil.

No lakes or rivers on the Darlene map doesn't mean no lakes or rivers at all, it means no major rivers or lakes on th ...

Perhaps because the heartlands are (a) safe - therefore there's no need for the population to huddle together in numbers for security and (b) primarily agrarian - therefore little in the way of indust ...

LGJ 0 deals with this explicitly, saying that Mordenkainen (who conveniently phoned in sick that day) cloned them all back to life, getting them up and running just for the start of the Wars (but, als ...

Sorry - not ignoring this. Just haven't had the time to get to it. Will attempt to do so this week.

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The Baklien could work if you assume that the Baklunish and Oerids shared a common ancestor people that inhabited the steppes north of the Celestial Imperium way back in the when. Some Baklunish and ...

Some grist for your mill perhaps?

Another tropical island kingdom from the real world that you might be able to draw some cool unique elements:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sri_Lanka ...

I have an incomplete High History of the Aerdi that delves into the legends and wanderings of the Oerids before the Great Migrations.

In short: Led by Rasgon's work on this, I place the ancient Oe ...

Here's the quote from LGG (106): While the Fruztii were historically the most persistent in their raids upon the Aerdy, the Schnai explored the seas and the northern isles. Their discovery of Fireland ...

If it's supposed to be a volcano - I think you need to aim bigger, rather than smaller.

If it were 800 feet high, it'd be White Plume Hill. Happy

2 mile diameter and 8,000 feet (2,438 m) sou ...

I'm certain that the House of Yust hasn't appeared in relation to the Great Kingdom anywhere else in Canon.

It's possible they could have been a minor house that found temporary favour with some o ...

::delurk::

It's almost certain that the Suel had significant contact with Zahind before the RoCF. Zahind offered a route to a sea, trade, spices and therefore wealth. And as the Turks say - "The Re ...

Axes don't preclude organised battle tactics - look to the Saxon huscarls and the Varangians. They're fearsome and effective weapons, and that, along with cultural (the Oerids may have a bias towards ...

Raf,

If the History of the Great Kingdom mentions mad twin overkings, then it's sadly heretical. Good, but heretical.

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I believe I was looking at a map of the Oerth drawn up by Pluffet Smedger (Gary Holian, of this parish). There is another map showing an incomplete Anakeris:

http://www.peldor.com/world/oerthlarg ...

If you look at Anakeris in terms of latitudes, it ranges from roughly 10 S to well nigh 70-80 S.

10 degrees south latitude? Did you get this from some map I'm unaware of? The only map I've see ...

I'd go with the supposition that the Suel were not winning and that the ID was their last ditch effort to win the war.

Reasons for refugees fleeing:

If the refugees were simply fleeing the Bakl ...

Complete aside - do we know that Urnst was a kingdom pre-Aerdi occupation?

I thought there was mention of a Senatorial structure in LGG? Not to say that's incompatible with a monarchy (see the ear ...

Not sure how canon that map is or whether the climate described in, say LGJ 5, jives with a climate moist enough to support a forest there.

Did you get answers to those questions in the first post ...

Excellent bit of detective work! Certainly worth a write up in the OJ (hint-hint).

Two thoughts occur (and that's overtime for me on a Sunday!):

1: The lands west of the Baklunish empire and eas ...

LG Onnwal didn't really get into the details of the Iron Hills too much actually (though, like a hundred other things, I often meant to).

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There's records of large volcanic eruptions cooling the climate slightly over decades in the real world. Certainly the RoCF may have caused cooling though I think Ice Age is a bit strong a term for it ...

Yeah - I got the vibe that the Brazen Horde nomads and the settled Komali didn't get on. In fact, I've speculated here before that the BH came from the western side of the mountains (where the map of ...

Is there any info on the nearby dwarf kingdom - I can recall only a few articles on magical sites in the hills...

No big chunks of canon aside from what's served up in the various gazetteer entries ...

I'd always assumed the Bakhoury Coast included the far side of the Gulf (that's the way I've been using the term), but aside from that I largely agree with you. Except - as I said - the coastline itse ...

The coastal

If there were indigenous horsemen, how could the Bakhoury Coast have been originally settled by Baklunish refugees? Smile

I think you mean that the Emirates were founded by Baklu ...

Perhaps he didn't spend his entire time in a library?

:)

The Glaives are an Onnwal-based chivalric order that arose out of LG and then made it into the Living Greyhawk Journal (which means that their canon status is arguable - and I say that as a co-creator ...

Ephealy: I'm inclined to agree with you that the title "Celestial House" probably refers to the original founding houses, with the others - the Atirrs, the Virs etc being secondary.

(1) Celestial Houses of the Aerdi: I've got six on my list (Cranden, Darmen, Garasteth, Haxx, Naelax, and Rax). Am I missing any?

Torquann and Atirr, as pointed out above.
The Haxx may be regarde ...

If we can get past the blind frickin' reverence for the Great Old Ones and get thinky about this:

1: WotC are money-grubbers? Woo! Someone make that a crime, why doncha? They're a corporation - of ...

I always worked on the assumption that the imprisonment of the nine demigods was the final trial that Zagig had to undertake to become divine.

Whether or not, given his patronage of Zagig, The Unca ...

"-ond" - as in Nyrond, Ferrond, Furyondy etc appears to be Old Oeridian for something like "land" or "realm".

"Ker" appears in Ivid in the name of Ker Bazainn, a castle/fortress in the South Provin ...

That said, I imagine that Gryrax would have an extensive number of liberties granted by the Prince in its charter, given that it is a largely human enclave.

That said, I imagine that Gryrax would have an extensive number of liberties granted by the Prince in its charter, given that it is a largely human enclave.

What do you all think the "big payoff" will be?

- Freeing Zuoken
- Destroying the Earth Stone and, with it, the Oerth
- Becoming a god like Zagyg
- Getting to use guns like Murlynd
- Becoming m ...

Ok, wheather you like Mona or not (and I have liked his work to date) what do we know of James Jacobs and James Bulmahn? Are they GH fans?

JASON Bulmahn is an ex-LGH Circle dude (formerly in charg ...

The Guild of Thieves and Guild of Assassins wouldn't be regarded the same way as real trade guilds. They'd be known of, in the way that people know of the Mafia, but like the Mafia, they don't have of ...

The alignment system is a fairly screwy and artificial construct to begin with, but let's work with it for the sake of argument.

There's an assumption that Lawful Good is somehow always sweetness, ...

One thing to remember is that gladiatorial games have been established as a feature of Oeridian culture since forever and a day, probably deriving from tribal ritual combat or trial by combat.

Or ...

Isn't the storm giantess of Goldbolt waiting for eastern Aerdy to fall into the sea? Coincidence? Somebody stop the Walker - quickly!

Ah - no - she's waiting to Chathold to fall into the sea.
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According to a bit of apocrypha, the Walker is walking with a purpose. He is tracing out a symbol on the ground that will remove Medegia (the city) and its taint from the Oerth.

I think it's the en ...

Or some kind soul could post a card?

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Cardless and soulless, alas Smile

I've read the history on Womtham that I scouted on this site. Is that THE definitive history of that town? Because in building the module I am, I've made a lot that's quite different.

Could you pro ...

I've read the history on Womtham that I scouted on this site. Is that THE definitive history of that town? Because in building the module I am, I've made a lot that's quite different.

Could you pro ...

GH Ruins is it, I think - though there's probably tangential mentions of the castle and its environs in the City of Greyhawk boxed set, From the Ashes and The Adventure Begins.

Castle Greyhawk (the ...

They are bad, but bad things happen in the real world. If you want some sort of verisimilitude you should include them. The distinction to be struck is between not sanitising on one hand and not glori ...

Ivid the Undying mentioned two enigmatic and deathless characters - the Wanderer, who roves the roads of shattered Medegia with his dog, and the Spectre, an ancient elf who dwells in a mansion that se ...

I've read the history on Womtham that I scouted on this site. Is that THE definitive history of that town? Because in building the module I am, I've made a lot that's quite different.

Could you pro ...

With the likes of the Boneheart around him, Iuz would do well to be paranoid.

It depends on who's door. If it's the Count of Mowbrenn, then you can bet they'll deliver door to door. Ditto wealthy merchants. Jozan Q Peasent - not so much (which is fine, since Jozan Q Peasent can ...

Peter The Peasant is unlikely to write a letter to his cousin or parents 200 kilometers away, as he probably can't write, can't afford to buy the costs of the parchment or ink, can't afford the cost ...

Marklands mentioned that the mail service was breaking down IIRC. I think that the LGG mentioned that it was back in operation.

Nyrondese mail riders would probably only operate within the borders ...

FtA had its points. The treatment of the Hold and Wild Coast in FtA, however, imposed preambles on the consideration of adventures in both areas - the SB and orcs respectively - where prior to FtA b ...

Where FtA substantially constricted the Hold of the Sea Princes as an adventure incubator, James Jacobs, and I believe Erik Mona, are working to make the general area once again an area, much like th ...

The advice is all most excellent! I have decided to develop my Saltmarsh wholecloth, as the DMGII version does not reflect a 14th century fishing town in my estimation; rather, it is more akin to a ...

Yup - they're the fellas.

The Vecna connection isn't canon. That comes from the OJ1 timeline. I remember having a long discussion with Montand on GTalk about this and eventually having to concede that Vecna was based in the Sh ...

Oerth or the Flanaess?

The first is hard to answer as everything beyond the borders of the Flanaess is scetchy at best.

The second a little easier - though you can get tied up in the definition ...

FWIW, maximum age for gray elves would be 2380 under 1e (using the 2000 Venerable + rolling max additional age adjustment of a 19 on d20 for 380 additional years lived, per DMG p. 13). Assuming no ma ...

Early. Early. Early. Smile

1) What would be some good wines available?

2) What other goods would be worthwhile to transport, in either direction?

3) Since only one ship penetrated the blockade from Rel Astra and at a la ...

Off the top of my head:

The Royal Guild of Merchants of Aerdy.
The Moqollad Consortium.
The Brotherhood of the Bronze (Nyrond)
The various ranger organisations mentioned in the Adri and Grandwoo ...

Rary's tower in the Bright Lands has an observatory on top. And if I recall correctly, there's a observatory of Celestian just outside Greyhawk City.

Yeah, nothing at all exciting about Mordenkainen's Disjunction.... Mad

all the other classic GH mods bar Castle Greyhawk, Puppets and the other awful one I can't recall).

I think Child's Play is the one you're thinking of...

That's the one! Smile

I'd add:

The Greyhawk City Boxed set
Iuz the Evil
The Marklands
Ivid the Undying
Rary the Traitor
City of Skulls
The Adventure Begins
Players Guide to Greyhawk
The Scarlet Brotherhood
Slav ...

The adulation of the Oeridians in Ivid the Undying does seem a bit hyperbolic at times.

Surely not! Cool

Don't have the books to hand so I can't quote chapter and verse, but I think it's mentioned somewhere that Lum was Oerid. The Hestmarks are just over the river from Medegia, which would have been part ...

IP is at the heart of any consideration of the utility of collating material from regional LG scenarios (ie those not owned by the RPGA/WotC).

Because regionals, metaregionals and a lot of the regi ...

The Orb of Sol would do it alright!

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I stand by the privateer get-around plus perhaps one private (and presumably failed) expedition by the Knights Protector to squish some Demogorgon people, though that does seem very extreme unless the ...

Woesinger, thanks for the article. I’m not big on the Berghof being Suel, but other than that, I though it was great. I definitely has much that I want to look into further; particularly the Jekle ...

Of course, this means I'll have to respond with more rantings about Aerdy. Laughing

That's what you get for messing with Nyrond.

Lynwerd's got a posse! Laughing

In this city of 15,650 there are 35 taverns and 9 brothels.

Sounds about right.

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Dublin, Ireland. Laughing

Much obliged, sir. ::tips hat::

My idea is that Alran was settled early in the pre-cataclysms migrations, but later, when volcanic activity increased in the Hellfurnaces, the city was lost, buried under flowing lava from the Cauldro ...

Nice map - though I'd include the Medegian Bladelands as part of the Aerdi principalities. I reckon that's where the Naelex started out before they went north to carve out their own lands.

I see M ...

Regular elves hate valley elves because the valley elves were right and the elves of celene were wrong.

That and their, like totally, annoying speech patterns. Happy

Basing Tuerny in Thalland and assuming its placement along the upper Thelly (Due to Woesinger placing him around Rel Deven)

I could be wrong - but I think Return of the Eight places him in that re ...

The reference in the LGG specifically mentions that releasing Jaran was unusually lenient. That said, they did torture the hell out of him.

Have you imagined retconning the Green Man into the Flan (or Olman) pantheon?

Isn't that pretty much Obad Hai, give or take? If it's not, then it's a few minor tweaks away.

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I saw the Flamni lands before the formation of Aerdy as being a loose confederation of tribal territories. Thalland could have been Tuerny's patch, the Medegian Bladelands another. There's nothing to ...

I got it from a document called "TheHistoryoftheAeredi.doc" whose provenance I didn't record.

Ah - I remember that - it was a very comprehensive fan doc on the old Codex of Greyhawk site. Some ...

Interesting. The only point I have any real objection to is:

First in order of precedence was the Viceroy, appointed by the Overking of the Great Kingdom in Rauxes. While the Viceroyalty eventually ...

Sorry. I am not persuaded and stand by my previous textual analysis.

The vigour and detail of your counterargument is noted. ::shrugs::

All inapposite in my view. All to one degree or ano ...

The idea that Keoland took, "conquered," the entirety of the Hold (especially if the islands are included) and then held it in absolute terms is, to me, contraindicated by the text and, as against any ...