Touv? Do you say "tuuv", "tohv", "towv", "toh-uuv", or "Bubba ho-tep"? I'm just curious. Other WoG words I'm interested in people's pronunciation on: suloise, suel, drow, Telchur (and Telchuria), Tehn, duergar, flanaess, rhenee. I know how I say these things, and it works for me, I'm just curious as to other's views. _________________ Greyhawk is dead; long live Greyahwk! It is not heresy; I will not recant!
Either The Adventure Begins or the Players Guide to Greyhawk (both out of print - though PDFs should be available at Paizo or somewhere) has canon pronouciations for most of these.
This, however, takes all the fun out of a how-do-you pronounce thread by removing grounds for folk to argue over their own particular pronounciations.
Here's mine:
TOOV
sool-OY-z (yeah I know the other one is correct, but it's the way I've always said it).
SOOL
DROW (rhymes with cow).
Telk-OOR
telk-OOR-ee-ah
TEN
DOOR-gar (or DER-gar if you're German, I suppose)
fla-NAY-ss (yeah I know this is probably not correct either - Caeser isn't SAY-ser after all).
ren-AY
I would pronounce Tenh like ten, but with a longer "e", not like "teen".
And I always pronounced Duergar du-er-gar, although dwer-gar is probably better.
Woesinger asked about german pronunciation, so here you have my comment. It should been written "dwergar" to be pronounced "dwer-gar"in german. And while I´m at it, Drau would be the german spelling for Drow if it is to be pronounced correctly. If this evokes connotations to the draug, its probably not by chance.
Touv? Do you say "tuuv", "tohv", "towv", "toh-uuv", or "Bubba ho-tep"? I'm just curious. Other WoG words I'm interested in people's pronunciation on: suloise, suel, drow, Telchur (and Telchuria), Tehn, duergar, flanaess, rhenee. I know how I say these things, and it works for me, I'm just curious as to other's views.
TOUV: "Two of." As in "I'll have two of those biscuits."
SULOISE: "Sool-oh-WEEZ."
DROW: Rhymes with "cow."
TELCHUR: Tell-churr. Same consonant sounds as "teacher."
TENH: Ten.
DUERGAR: Dwair-gurr. Hard "g," slightly rolled "r."
Crow. Throw. Row. All words with an -ow diphthong and an r immediately preceding.
Not cow. Or wow. Or meow. That's just silly or something.
Since the great EGG wrote in English, I must assume he used these standards. If otehrwise, I would think Drow should be spelled "droww," as in "Oww, that hurt, you ##%^&@!!"
Dragon #93 (and everything subsequent) confirmed that the proper pronuciation of drow does, indeed, make it rhyme with cow. The "R" doesn't change how the following dipthong is pronounced.
Crow. Throw. Row. All words with an -ow diphthong and an r immediately preceding.
Not cow. Or wow. Or meow. That's just silly or something.
Since the great EGG wrote in English, I must assume he used these standards. If otehrwise, I would think Drow should be spelled "droww," as in "Oww, that hurt, you ##%^&@!!"
How about brow? brown? crown? drown? frown? growl? prow? prowl? All of these words have an -ow diphthong and an r immediately preceding.
Dragon #93 (and everything subsequent) confirmed that the proper pronuciation of drow does, indeed, make it rhyme with cow. The "R" doesn't change how the following dipthong is pronounced.
And according tho the Greyhawk Player's Guide, drow rhymes with either how or crow.
As to drow, I've always said it "DROH" instead of "DRAU" (or, rhyming with "crow" instead of "cow") simplu because its what leapt to mind first, and it sounds more sinister or intimidating that way. "DRAU" to me sounds just silly. "Suel" and "suloise" always hit me as French looking, thus "SUUL" (with that franco-german "UU" sound that most English speakers don't understand, as in "tu") and "suhl-WAHZ" (with that wonderful french "WA" sound for "oi", as in "moi"). Touv I say as "TUH-ov", like "two of", although that's probably linguistically incorrect. Just an interesting little bit of discussion. _________________ Greyhawk is dead; long live Greyahwk! It is not heresy; I will not recant!
First, maybe those dreadful elves just wanted to confuse us all and picked the most horrible name possible. Maybe, it means "those foolish humans" in their language!
Second ... I would consider the original author's intent. Yes, we know the Player's Guide to Greyhawk says that it could be pronounced either way. But on that note, one can say either toh-may-toe or too-mah-toe, too. Also, I think that it had alot to do with popular usage, and they didn't want to say that anyone was wrong just because they said it one way or another.
If the author was trying to convey "droh", it could have been spelled many other ways. The only way to get a reader to pronounce reliably it with an "ow" at the end is to use the "w". Were he to intend dro, droh, drough, or droe, he would have spelled it that way.
Just my $.02 worth. It's all fun, and if I heard you say it different, I wouldn't giggle any more than if I heard someone say "In-SURE-ance" instaed of "IN-sure-ance", "or "pitcher" instead of "picture". It's all regional dialects, if you ask me. Although, I think that we have R.A. Salvatore to thank for all this!
R A Salvatore is a hack who was told to write waht TSR wanted. :) His "developement" of the drow was only according to the wishes of the powers that be. I know a lot of people like his work, but I think its drivel (but so are most RPG novels). Still, the problem with the pronunciation of "drow" is that the majority of us speak (american) english. In english, words ending in -ow might be pronounced AU or OH. For some clarification, according to wikipedia: "Drow (pronounced either /draʊ/, rhymes with "now", or /droʊ/, rhymes with "throw") is a mythical elf-like creature in Scottish folklore which lived in caves and forged magical metal work." It then goes further to say: "The word is a variant of the Scots term "trow", which itself derives from the Scandinavian word "troll". The original Scottish Gaelic word is pronounced "dtrow" with a soft "dt" sound, and the original pronunciation sounds similar to "troll." " _________________ Greyhawk is dead; long live Greyahwk! It is not heresy; I will not recant!
Touv? Do you say "tuuv", "tohv", "towv", "toh-uuv", or "Bubba ho-tep"? I'm just curious. Other WoG words I'm interested in people's pronunciation on: suloise, suel, drow, Telchur (and Telchuria), Tehn, duergar, flanaess, rhenee. I know how I say these things, and it works for me, I'm just curious as to other's views.
Touv: I asked SKR about this at GenCon a couple years ago, and he said "Touv" is pronounced "tOHv" (rhymes with "grove").
Suloise: "soo-low-eez."
Suel: "sool" or "soo-ul" (both sound similar).
Drow: Per Frank Mentzer's ""Ay pronunseeAYshun gyd" in Dragon #93, it can rhyme with either "cow" or "throw." I have always used the former, and I think WotC also endorses the same as "official."
Telchur: I think the LGG has this as something like Tell-Chur (rhymes with "Hell Purr"), so Telchuria would be "tell-chur-ee-uh."
Tehn: "Ten", just like the numeral.
Duergar: The Mentzer article has it as "DEW-ur-gar."
Flanaess: Mentzer has it as "fla-NES," though I've often heard (& sometimes used) "fla-nay-es."
Rhennee: I've used both "Ren-ee" & "Ren-ay."
Plus a couple of my own:
Gnoll: "Nawl" (rhymes with "ball"), occasionally "nohl" (as in the grassy kind).
Kobold: "Ka-bold", rarely "koh-bold."
As an aside, I consider any differences in pronunciation to be due to different dialects in-game. Though most peoples, including surface elves, would rhyme drow with "cow," a few very well might rhyme it with "throw."
Gnoll: "Nawl" (rhymes with "ball"), occasionally "nohl" (as in the grassy kind).
In the Mentzer basic set, gnolls were said to be crossbreeds of gnomes and trolls, which should give a clue how he thought the word should be pronounced.
I've always read it as rhyming with troll for that reason.
Sahaugin are the piranha men - Ixitxachitl are more like manta-rays
Per Mentzer:
"sa-HWA-gin."
Sa-ha-UU-i-gan (although the second and third sylables get mushed together, and often the second gets dropped entirely, esp. when speaking quickly). Although the above pronunciation is likely more correct.
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