I'm working on a random generation on PC in the Flanaess, based upon a real stathistic method, and so I was reading the LGG to list the population of every nation, and... well... I found that both Nyrond and the NOrth Kingdom have 2,618,200 souls... is it possible? I don't think so... it must be some kind of errata...
some advice?
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Looks like the editors made a cut and paste error.
My db (I set the populations in our draft of the LGG) has the following:
North Kingom: 3,920,000
Nyrond: 4,165,000
So yes, they are comparable. Roger Moore (or someone else) susbsequently edited our numbers.
Why they felt the need to reduce them, I have no idea. But Nyrond is a bit larger than North Kingdom. Why they choose numbers accurate to the hundreds...well, now that's plain silly. ;-)
Maybe 2.6 million North Kingdom and 2.7 million for Nyrond?
The first step in my random generation is the place of birth, by a d100 roll, balanced to respect the population difference between the nations...
Actually, didn't the '83 folio have this in it? I'll have to do some checking when I get off work, but I think it's already in there. It may be a little dated to that time period, but if you have access, it might be what you're looking for... _________________ Michael Erin Sandar Bard of Midwood
Actually, didn't the '83 folio have this in it? I'll have to do some checking when I get off work, but I think it's already in there. It may be a little dated to that time period, but if you have access, it might be what you're looking for...
The random birthplace table in the '83 boxed set was designed by Len Lakofka — which should tell you something about its statistical accuracy — and first appeared in his "Leomund's Tiny Hut" column in DRAGON® #56 (I think). The problems with this table are that it is heavily weighted toward "good" nations, it underrepresents the populations of large nations like the Great Kingdom, and it excludes certain areas altogether. For instance, both Almor and the barbarian states have total populations of ~200,000, yet PCs are three times as likely to be born in Almor. Similarly, they are twice as likely to be born in Sterich — with a population of only 40,000! Forget about places like the Bandit Kingdoms or the Hold of the Sea Princes, though, as they aren't even included. The inaccuracies of this table were my impetus for creating my own Place of Birth table last year.
Eldiel, are you saying that you make your players randomly roll their PCs' races?
Basically, both Nyrond and the North Kingdom are highly rural kingdoms with lower population densities than other areas have. Additionally, both took a major beating in the Greyhawk Wars and the events during that period further reducing their populations. Additionally, at least in the Living Greyhawk campaign, Nyrond has just come through a civil war.
Compared to Medieval European standards Nyrond and the North Kingdom have extreamely small populations for their size. You'd have to either increase it by a large number, or assume that other than their few cities and a large number of small farming villages and/or farmsteads, the area is mostly unpopulated wilderness.
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