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Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:22 pm We need a Living Greyhawk forum.

Hey gang,

I've got lots of fun details and contact info to follow, but I am posting this to request that we create a forum in the WoG Discussion folder for Living Greyhawk. As the world's largest Greyhawk campaign EVER, preserving the campaign's memory seems a natural fit with canonfire's mission.

While it is true that up until now the LG admin community has been mostly silent on the issue of archiving LG, I believe that is about to end (we mostly needed some rest and separation from WOTC, imo). Towards that end, after bouncing the idea around during last Thursday's Greytalk, several days ago, I cast Summon Triads and Circle X on an old LG admin listserv. I've already received quite a few responses from former LG admins who are interested in helping to archive LG material, host LG websites, and answer questions about Greyhawk during LG. I plan to post their names and contact info, as well as the Greyhawk projects they are working on, later this evening.

Thanks,

Casey
former BK Triad

Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:49 pm

Excellent news! Lemme know if there's any way I can help. I know a lot of people don't like to include LG as canon, but who cares? At least it's Greyhawk, and where else are we supposed to get new materials? If Canonfire exists to support fan-created Greyhawky goodness, it seems only natural to want to archive all that lovely material that's just sitting there going to waste. If nothing else, who knows what sort of creativity it might inspire?

Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:12 pm

Below are the responses I have already received from my LG admin contacts. I will list them alphabetically by region. As I get more, I'll edit my list. Once complete, maybe I can make a contact database. I realize I am missing some email addresses; that is because the LG admin yahoo group hides them from me. I will effort to get them unhidden so that I can repost them here. Note: I received more responses than those posted below, but those responders weren't clear on whether they wanted me to post their contact info or not.

Casey

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Adri/Innspa
Dr. Rainer Nagel
rnagel@rainer-nagel.de
Adri Triad, 2001-2008
"The (mostly German) Adri/Innspa website with its small English part is
still online, and will continue to be: www.livinggreyhawk.de."

Bandit Kingdoms
Casey Brown (aka "aurdraco" on canonfire)
aurdraco@gmail.com
BK Triad, 2005-2008
Currently working on a BK gazetteer project.

Britt Frey
brittfrey@gmail.com
BK Triad, 2003-2006
LG Circle (IUZ), 2006-2008

County of Urnst
JP Chapleau
JP@chapleau.us
County of Urnst Triad, 2006-2008

Duchy of Urnst
Martin Knoff
martin_knoff@yahoo.com
Duchy of Urnst Triad, 2003-2006

Dyvers, Free City of
Michael Mockus
mmockus+lg@gmail.com
http://www.living-dyvers.net/
Dyvers Triad, 200?-2008

Ekbir
Gael Richard
gaelloicr@numericable.fr
Ekbir Triad, 2001-2008
"We have already begun to do this [Ekbir gazetteer] for Ekbir. This is one website (maintained by Pierre Couture aka Armenfrast) where we are putting our work about Ekbir during LG: http://greyhawk.fr. The old official website for Ekbir is still there: http://www.ekbir.org. Of course, all these sites are in French but if a native-english speaker is willing to help us, it could be translated into English. I am willing to answer questions about Ekbir, the Baklunish world, NPCs and storylines in this region."

Furyondy
Pete Cooney
cooneypete@yahoo.com
Furyondy Triad, 200?-2008
Pete is interested in helping to archive LG material.

Geoff
John Pieper
jpieper70@gmail.com
Geoff Triad, 2007-2008
"I've been doing a little work on the Geoff Wiki entry, and will do more as time permits."

Highfolk
Todd Ammerman
calentir@gmail.com
Highfolk Triad, 2006-2008
Todd is interested in working on a Highfolk gazetteer.

Nyrond
Don Brown
don@donkbrown.com
Nyrond Triad, 2006-2008
"I have meta-org docs, drafts of story lines and regional developments for the region and many, many adventures from the region."

Onnwal
Stuart Kerrigan
Onnwal Triad, 2002-2005(?)
"I've archived and reworked a lot of our stuff at http://www.skerrigan.co.uk/Onnwal...There's a gazetteer including what was DM level material and the old Player's Guide."

Perrenland
Andrew Cowan
andcowan@yahoo.com.au
Perrenland Triad, 2004-2008

Sunndi
Maya Deva
mdkniese@blackstar.nl
Sunndi Triad, 2001-2008
"The Sunndi website was taken down, but is intact on our home server;
feel free to direct any questions on our corner of the world to me."

Tusmit
Daniel Mayrand
dmayrand@gmail.com
Tusmit Triad, 2002-2003, 2005-2008
"I kept a copy of the whole site on my home server, which can be viewed at http://cohtss.dyndns.org:10080/tusmit"

JP Chapleau
JP@chapleau.us
Tusmit Triad, 2003-2006

Verbobonc
Vernon L. Vincent (aka "vvincent" on canonfire)
Verbobonc Triad, 2004-2008
"For those interested, I have been maintaining the Verbobonc website (http://verbobonc.net) so it is still alive."
Vernon is currently contemplating working on a Velverdyva source document.

Zeif
Jon Dawes
jondawes@shaw.ca
Zeif Triad, 2006 (Zeif's start)-2008
"The Calgary guys used to have a site up with lots of details, but I don't see it anymore. I had a fair amount to do with continuity, so I can probably answer most questions about how our plot arcs ended."

Former Circle Members
Creighton Broadhurst
Creighton@greyworks.co.uk
LG Circle (Core) 200?-2008

Britt Frey
brittfrey@gmail.com
LG Circle (IUZ) 2006-2008

Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:19 pm LG Archive

This is great news!!

While it is true that there are some that don't consider it canon, as BG said, "Who cares?!" In those same Thursday night GreyTalk chats, we were seriously lamenting the loss of all the old websites and regional information that is slowly sipping away. Not so much adventures or anything, but just setting information; power groups, NPCs, towns, maps, etc. I absolutely can't wait to see how this turns out!!

Way to go, Aurdraco!! /cheer
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Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:37 pm

Excellent work, Aurdraco! Well done indeed. I remember that chat session and my own lamentations! It would be great to archive all this glorious information. Happy

Keep us posted on all the latest developments, many here will be happy to help out as best they can. Cool

Again, well done. Wink

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Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:18 pm

We'll be happy to host an LG forum, FAQ, or whatever else you require.

CF is here to preserve Greyhawk, all editions and incarnations.

-G

Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:43 pm

Awesome Aurdraco! Thanks for this.

Laughing

Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:12 am

bubbagump expresses my sentiments exactly.

We have discussed archiving the LG material for a long time now. People sought out material a year or two ago, but the response was not very encouraging. It would be nice to have all material in one place, but I can understand those who are doing the archiving wanting people to visit their sites too. The biggest problem I see with linking to off-site files is the external sites not being kept up, being switched to new servers, whatever, and the content links going dead without any heads up do to a change in the link. Then we just have a bunch of posts/articles filled with the not so helpful and dreaded dead link. There is a MASSIVE problem with the Downloads section due to this very thing. We are looking to move away from links to off-site locations completely(unless absolutely necessary) in order to avoid this in the future.

Gary has already expressed a willingness to archive any and all things Living Greyhawk here at Canonfire!, and just did so again while I was composing this! Happy

While I have my own ideas as to how such a forum would/should work, I want to hear everybody else’s ideas on how such a forum should be structured, how content should be presented, etc. Rather than just create a forum willy nilly, such a thing as this needs a bit or organizational forethought, so offer up your ideas. Once a method to the madness is decided upon, I will create a "Living Greyhawk Archive & Forum" and move any related content/threads to it. There is also a "Living Greyhawk/RPGA" Articles section where material can be submitted, yet sadly it has lain dormant and unused for nearly 2 years(yes, we've had things in place to archive LG since its demise was announced). In the meantime, hunt down whatever Living Greyhawk material you can, and the permission to submit it. It could be anything- regional articles, regional adventures, rules and regulations, campaign rewards, whatever.
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Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:36 am

wonder why we dont have a region of GH here in brazil.. Confused

Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:43 pm

"In the meantime, hunt down whatever Living Greyhawk material you can, and the permission to submit it. It could be anything- regional articles, regional adventures, rules and regulations, campaign rewards, whatever."

Raising his hands in the air and shouting loud:

I did, I did . . . hunt down/collect quite A LOT (over 90% or so) of LG material in the last 9 years. Getting the permission to submit it will be quite difficult if not nearly impossible . . . I've tried it a few times . . . :-(
That is a serious issue of which (currently) I have no idea how to solve it without violating any laws, copyrights or IP.

Greetz

Nenad

Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:48 pm

I was going to avoid saying anything about this until I had things more organized, but since you brought it up...

I've been archiving LG materials for years now, and I'm currently working to get everything organized into some semblance of a coherent system. I have some 20,000 LG files, including mods, background info, ARs, etc., and when I get everything ready I'm hoping to make it available to anyone who is willing to host it. At the moment I'm about 75% finished. Merry Christmas.

Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:45 pm

Glad to "see" you Falco. Stop in more often. Happy

And don't give up on your LG project. More are joining in the effort to collect this material and get permission to post it here. As more of those who know how to do this gather together, the more that will get accomplished. Wink

Thanks for sharing and, again, stop by and visit us more often. Canonfire! needs all the support, contributions and ideas it can get. Cool

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Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:07 pm

"Glad to "see" you Falco. Stop in more often."

I visit the CF-site every day but don't post that often . . . Sad

Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:03 pm

That's excellent Falco! Happy

Now all we have to do is get you to "post" more often! Otherwise, how can we ever accuse you of talking too much? Evil Grin

And we are interested in what you have to say, so please do post more often. We need your ideas. Wink

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Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:55 pm

Well, I'd say the ayes have it! Happy

We'll have to see about giving South America its own Greyhawk region . . . even if its unofficial and only honorary. Wink

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Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:23 pm

One mans thoughts..

Perhaps the LG regional sites could be mirrored at the server supporting CF? Links on CF pointing to original sites but changed to the mirror if they go down?

Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:23 am

Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:50 am

Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:49 pm

Updated with some more contact info.

Casey

Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:22 am

Wow! This is exciting stuff! Smile

I tried to get ahold of some Furyondy information a couple of years ago, thinking the best I might be able to get was a timeline of events. One of the triad members indicated that he might be able to help me when the LG campaign officially ended. I think the bloke was called John DuBois? Sadly he never got back to me when I followed up... Sad

Incidentally, assuming that we could make it legal exactly how hard would it be to host an archive of this size? I have a few mates that are involved in that line of work so I may be able to make a couple enquiries...

Ta.

Damien.

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Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:33 pm

Must have touched a nerve. My apologies if I gave you the impression that Brazillians lived in jungles or that I was being derrogatory. No offense was meant - it was just an offhanded remark on the topic.

Vernon

Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:23 am

Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:28 am

I used to be a member of the Onnwal Triad from 2002-2005(?) and I've archived and reworked a lot of our stuff at http://www.skerrigan.co.uk/Onnwal though RL meant I didn't put up as much as I liked.

There's a gazetteer including what was DM level material att http://www.skerrigan.co.uk/Onnwal/downloads/gazetteer.pdf and the old Player's Guide at http://www.skerrigan.co.uk/Onnwal/downloads/RPGAGaz.pdf as well as a few adventures.

Stuart

Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:33 am

Glad to see you're keeping it alive, Stuart. Well done, mate.

Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:35 pm

Stuart, thanks! I've added you and Don Brown of Nyrond to the list. Hopefully, more former Triad types will be coming out of the woodwork.

Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:33 am

Bumping this to shake up the former Triad members:

I have just finished my rough draft for my summary of LG's BK events. It comes in at 129 pages long, features summaries of every BK mod and interactive, NPC write ups, indexes of BK adventures by adventure path and location and major NPC write-ups. I expect to release the final draft at the end of this month after final copy editing. Cool

What have ya'll been up to?

Casey

Sun May 09, 2010 8:57 am

Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:04 am

I'd love to see this happen.

Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:45 am

Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:34 pm

Hey guys, I've been away for the best part of 7 months.

Is anything new happening on this front?

Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:50 am

I don't know about anything new happening but kudos to you Damien because I'd missed this thread and the Naerie stuff above.

Cheers, dude.

Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:23 pm

I finished the LG BK mod summary and NPC write-ups last year and sent them to the OJ. However, the OJ seems to be dead in the water for now.

I am continuing to work on the BK 600 CY Gazetteer. It is roughly 2/3 or more done and is very exhaustive. Here is a link to the ToC.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4EUZ0h7JMVSMzYyM2M2MGMtZmQ4ZS00ZTA5LTg4YjgtNTU5YTM3Zjc0YjNk&hl=en&authkey=CPyd7fgD

Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:44 pm

@ aurdraco

That BK ToC looks quite promising. Hope the rest comes along soon. Smile

SirXaris

Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:16 pm

If posting/uploadingthe modules is not possible, how about at the very least getting some kind of gazetteer update of the events that went on? And what about the Core events? Is discussion of the storyline allowed without having Hasbro's lawyers ripping our throats out?

Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:43 pm

Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:10 pm

I just found the Naerie gazetter. Big props to that triad for wrapping things up the way they did and presenting it in a consumable form. I wish the rest of the triads had done this! I like what you've got outlined Aurdraco, this will be a big help! Now if I could just poke the Shield Lands guys with a sharp stick..
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