Canonfire!

Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:28 pm Who's with me?

So it's Forgotten Realms, time to go on a kobold genocide killing spree Evil

Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:01 pm

"This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. 'Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.' Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer, dead!"

Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:19 pm

Food Fight!!!

Couldn't let you take all the credit there, Smillian! Evil Grin

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Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:01 pm

I'm with you on this one.

For me, If I was going to buy 5e or not was totally dependent on Greyhawk or Planescape support. If they are just doing FR, then I'm going to be just doing Pathfinder, 3.5 and AD&D :(

Edit: Oh, and this is my first post here, btw. I just made my profile a few minutes ago :p
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Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:23 am

Welcome to Canonfire Charles.

And, blargh!

Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:31 am

We will make HATE to them!
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Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:11 am

Sorry have I missed something?

I'm guessing fromthe message from WoC is the rebirth for 5th Ed is going to be another FR release.

If so looks like most people on here are going to avoid 5th like the plague ( and I'm not talking about the Spell Plague).

If this is not the case could someone enlighten me

Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:17 am

On the plus side, it sounds like the Greyhawk archives will be available as pdf downloads next year. Mearls also said Greyhawk is important to him, and they have plans for other worlds down the road. He was a Keoland triad at one time in LG.

And I can still use D&D next as the game system for MY Greyhawk. I do like what I've seen so far.

Dave Guerrieri

Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:19 am

Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:30 am

I was literally dancing around my living room when they announced they would be reprinting old material. I can't wait to get my hands on all the old AD&D modules. I'm currently collecting them but they're very expensive. However, I want to gently point out that while they did say they would reprint all older materials for ALL past editions they did not explicitly say it would be PDFs. It actually seemed as if they were trying to avoid using the term.

In any case, I can't wait for the reprints. As for FR - I'm not buying 5e. However, they did mention Greyhawk would find some love so I'll wait and see.

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Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:59 pm

Gary Gygax created a great game we all enjoy. I don't see Ed greenwood as the reason Gygax was tossed from TSR. So hating Ed Greenwood or FR does not honor Gygax and does not promote are love or support for the Greyhawk setting. As far as Gygax destroying the world he created in his last Gord book, that was his right. If any of us agreed with the end result this site would not exist here.

So instead of focusing on the negatives lets focus on the positives of what unites the setting. As the heading goes Editions Change Greyhawk Endures.

Later

Argon

Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.
-Thomas Jefferson-

Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:27 pm

Everyone keep it civil, or the thread (which I don't see as being all that constructive to begin with) goes away. I really don't find the level of causticity here to have reached too offensive of proportions, but don't push it. More constructive comments could surely be made.

Just one point for everyone to keep in mind: I consider those who contribute to continuing a flame war (i.e. those who didn't light the fire, but sure as hell don't mind piling on more wood) nearly as responsible as those who start one, and anyone who has done either will not receive my deepest of sympathies.
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Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:30 pm

Somewhat topical to the thread ...
Is it just me, or is the size of the above illustration blowing out the size of the forum width? I am having to scroll left and right to read the posts. ... and my main monitor (of two) is, like, two feet wide!

Maybe we could edit it to be "average" sized, so that the default widths of the site can not be all off-kilter, willy-nilly, helter-skelter, and whatever other nonsense words we can apply? Happy

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Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:38 pm

I support what Argon says.

Was I dissapointed that Greyhawk wasn't selected for 5e? Sure
Was I upset that the Realms got another chance to shine with 5e? Sure

Maybe this time round they will listen and get the Realms sorted out ... who knows.

At the end of the day Gary did what he said he was going to do ... he left a legacy behind, Greyhawk and it is now our turn to wear the mantle and build on to that legacy.

Dungeons & Dragons stopped being "Gary's" Dungeon & Dragons with the onset of the later edition, but original D&D/AD&D and Greyhawk will always be what he passed onto us the first and generation D&D player.

Don't hate the designers, don't hate the people, don't hate the game, there is just too much of that already. Focus on what you have ...

Anyway those are my thoughts.

Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:21 am

The announcement of another "rebirth" of FR is disappointing but from the readouts I've seen (I'm on GMT/BST so watching it live on a work night was impossible) they are not going to solely support the Realms and will cover other settings in due course.

That said, 5E has failed to inspire me so far and ultimately, it's the rules system that will drive my decision to support the edition fully or not. Obviously, if they release any GH support then I'll buy it whatever the rules but my support for the edition doesn't hinge on GH support as we've had slim pickings for GH for many years and I've still got by. Hell, there's enough source material here to keep half a dozen campaigns going for years Smile

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Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:12 pm

Icarus,

Yeah it just happened to me as well. Apparently gamers are not the only ones who expand. Laughing

That's ok Canonfire Threads got a little wider. That just means there's more to love! Laughing

Later

Argon

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:07 pm

Dark Herald -
Thank you for putting so eloquently the thoughts that I was having. Though I may have been about as delicate as a knee on the topic, your way of putting it expresses it so much better.
Thank you for sharing those thoughts.
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:05 pm

Flint ... I would presume that you're correct in your assumption that WotC may indeed be counting on their back-catalog of material to provide some amount of a lack of new material in the next year. Frankly, though, when a company of that size decides to make a major change like this, they have to evaluate their own profit margins. I 'm certain that they will continue to put out some books, but, they likely had to look at their R&D costs, printing costs, and whatnot, and make a reasonable aaertion that they may not make a whole lot of money in the next year or so. If they are able to recoup their loss of low output with the PDFs, they will see it as nothing but gravy. If not, they will likely have already planned on it being within a certain budget to put out D&D Next without a profit. That's just the cost of having to try to do a major overhaul.

I, for one, will certainly be picking up a good deal of PDFs. I'm hoping that some things come out like Dragon and Dungeon magazines. Because, I guarantee you, I'd buy every single one of those!! :)
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Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:40 pm

I think allowing the sale of previous edition pdf's is a smart way to go about it. Though I think they are banking on the hype of Next to boost sales upon it's release.

Later

Argon