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Mon Nov 04, 2024 12:55 pm
Orogs and Orgillions
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After reading the Sons of Gruumsh adventure by Christopher Perkins (and it was written for Forgotten Realms). I wanted to ask, are Orogs in your campaigns offspring from a orc-ogre union, or the products of evolution?
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Tue Nov 05, 2024 2:52 am
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I take the 2E approach:
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| Ogrillons are the issue of a female orc mated with a male ogre. Thankfully, it is sterile. The union of a male orc and a female ogre yields an orog, a better class of humanoid monster detailed in the “Orc” entry. |
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Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:31 pm
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| DMPrata wrote: |
I take the 2E approach:
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| Ogrillons are the issue of a female orc mated with a male ogre. Thankfully, it is sterile. The union of a male orc and a female ogre yields an orog, a better class of humanoid monster detailed in the “Orc” entry. |
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Thank you, very much! 
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Initially, I was with DM Prata. But I always found the reason for the distinction unsatisfying.
My first (and, really only) experience with orogs and ogrillons was in the Greyhawk Ruins mega-dungeon. I thought it was rather silly to make them distinctly different creatures. They are both half-orc/half-ogre.
In my campaign, they are the same, but their intelligence ranges can be extreme. Those with higher (orc-like) intelligence use the orog stats, while those with much lower intelligence use the ogrillon stats.
Otherwise, I haven't found much use for them in my campaigns.
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Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:02 pm
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| SirXaris wrote: |
Initially, I was with DM Prata. But I always found the reason for the distinction unsatisfying.
My first (and, really only) experience with orogs and ogrillons was in the Greyhawk Ruins mega-dungeon. I thought it was rather silly to make them distinctly different creatures. They are both half-orc/half-ogre.
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Just as an FYI, there are real world examples of hybrids that have different traits depending on which species is which parent.
For example, a male donkey and a female horse produce a mule and a male horse and a female donkey produce a hinny. They look different, are different sized, and have different temperament.
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Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:08 am
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| SirXaris wrote: |
My first (and, really only) experience with orogs and ogrillons was in the Greyhawk Ruins mega-dungeon. I thought it was rather silly to make them distinctly different creatures. They are both half-orc/half-ogre.
In my campaign, they are the same, but their intelligence ranges can be extreme. Those with higher (orc-like) intelligence use the orog stats, while those with much lower intelligence use the ogrillon stats.
Otherwise, I haven't found much use for them in my campaigns.
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Agreed. They appear in the Against the Giants Silver Anniversary edition. I didn't find them particularly interesting ... just cannon fodder. Boring cannon fodder. I used them in a couple of adventures in my Giants campaign but I haven't used them since.
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Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:44 pm
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I look at orogs in the same was as owlbears. They're orc-human-ogre hybrids created by magic that breed true.
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