Ring of Five is no longer present, currently. (591 CY)
It was founded by Zagyg in 422 CY.
Members were...
Zagyg Keoghtom of Ointment fame
Tuerny the Merciless
Daern of Instant fortress fame
Evard of Black Tentacles fame
I also believe I have read somewhere that later, either the Mage (from Vale of the Mage) or his Drow servant had some form of membership within the ring.
I am assuming what you have read so far is from WGR1: Greyhawk Ruins? _________________ Kneel before me, or you shall be KNELT!
Ring of Five is no longer present, currently. (591 CY)
It was founded by Zagyg in 422 CY.
Members were...
Zagyg Keoghtom of Ointment fame
Tuerny the Merciless
Daern of Instant fortress fame
Evard of Black Tentacles fame
Eh? Really? Where's this mentioned (a gap in my Canon knowledge - ack!)?
Had Tuerny escaped from the Abyss by this point?
And what's he doing working with Daern and vice versa?
What was the professed goal of this really rather weird collection of worthies? And had it anything to do with the imprisonment of the 9 demi-gods?
Ok - I had a look at the Holian article on the Codex site. It seems to have a few Canon issues (Tuerny as a Bakluni for starters). And there's no mention of Daern.
Is there any published Canon on the Ring of Five or is this a very interesting heresy?
Tuerny was a Baklunish male in Return of the Eight. He assumes this form as a disguise to his now Nalfashnee, Demon form. _________________ Cheerz,
-Rick "Duicarthan" Miller
Editor-in-Chief, Oerth Journal
http://www.oerthjournal.comhttp://www.greyhawkonline.com/duicarthan
Is there any published Canon on the Ring of Five or is this a very interesting heresy?
WGR 1 Greyhawk Ruins is the canon resource to my knowledge as well as the LGG, iirc. Besides that Gary's article sums up a lot. _________________ Cheerz,
-Rick "Duicarthan" Miller
Editor-in-Chief, Oerth Journal
http://www.oerthjournal.comhttp://www.greyhawkonline.com/duicarthan
Ok - I had a look at the Holian article on the Codex site. It seems to have a few Canon issues (Tuerny as a Bakluni for starters). And there's no mention of Daern.
P.
is the Codex back up? I thought it was down for a LONG time.
I can't help noticing about 8 mages mentioned in this ring of 5 in the above posts. Who's correct? I do know the ring of 5 is mentioned in Greyhawk Ruins (PCs will actually meets some apprentices), but I don't have my copy with me right now.
I think WGR1 was where the Ring of Five were introduced. In that book the members are listed as Zagyg, The Black One of the Vale of the Mage, Leomund, Melf, and Serten.
Scott
I think WGR1 was where the Ring of Five were introduced. In that book the members are listed as Zagyg, The Black One of the Vale of the Mage, Leomund, Melf, and Serten.
Scott
My confussment mounts. So in canon, there's no mention of Daern, Tuerny, Evard and co?
OK - I need to make time to read GH Ruins.
I have the same notes as Abysslin, based on a blurb from Maldin's website, where he specifically notes WGR1 is in error. To each his own, I guess, or call the Canon Police again.
Thanks. This is great. So with all these rumors going around, I guess Ring of Five is actually even more secretive than Circle of Eight. Perhaps I will continue to dig into this shadowy past.
So the final words is that Ring of Five doesn't exist anymore, and their rivalry with Circle of Eight was actually minimal?
What I have read so far yes, majority was from Greyhawk Ruins, and other bits of info
Thanks. This is great. So with all these rumors going around, I guess Ring of Five is actually even more secretive than Circle of Eight. Perhaps I will continue to dig into this shadowy past.
So the final words is that Ring of Five doesn't exist anymore, and their rivalry with Circle of Eight was actually minimal?
You are all correct! Well, ok, not exactly. Yes, the list that has been presented (including the date!!) is indeed from my Arcane Chronologies page on my website (and is most definitely not published canon), but let me explain.
While I consider WGR1 Greyhawk Ruins totally canonical (even more so then many on some of the interesting "DM only" backstories hidden all about the module), I really disliked the authors' choices for the Ring of Five. I thought it contained wizards from different "epochs" of Greyhawk history (and thus unlikely to ever have reason to associate), and people who had backstories that I felt were completely incompatible with each other (thus even less likely to go into such an important partnership).
The original Ring from the module includes "Zagig, The Black One of the Vale of the Mage, Leomund, Melf, and Serten". Most of these I consider recent, average (although high level) mages, and shouldn't have direct access to Zagig at all, never mind the secrets of whats under the Castle. Also, I felt there should be a specific pattern of alignments (because of my own theories as to what EXACTLY Zagig was up to), and those choices (according to my campaign) didn't fit either. Heck, they are all mostly still alive, and wouldn't have been alive when Zagig imprisoned the Nine. To be blunt, I thought the choices were massively idiotic, and - worse - arbitrary. They merely selected 4 famous mages out of hat (...err... the Players Handbook).
So I created my own Ring of Five of far more mysterious, more powerful beings from deeper in Greyhawk's history. I decided to use Zagig (N), Keoghtom (NG), Tuerny (CE), Daern (LN) and Evard (NE) for the Ring. Note that this was YEARS before later WotC product decided to (variously) demonize or deify several of those names. It should be noted here that WGR5:Iuz the Evil lists Zagyg, St.Cuthbert, Heward, Murlynd, Keoghtem and Kelanen as the beings that entrapped (or at least captured) Iuz. I choose not to follow that in my own campaign backstory, but I present it here for those who do follow that bit of canon. It should also be noted that, as either great minds think alike or fools seldom differ, Gary Holian independently came up with his own personal redescription of the Ring of Five that is eerily similar to my own list. Obvious, Gary and I must therefore be correct. ;-)
However, in the light of developments in canon AFTER I created that list all those many years ago, I've been meaning to revisit the Ring, and give it some further serious thought. Especially after whats been done with Tuerny. (Haven't gotten around to it because it hasn't been important to my campaign thus far, but eventually will be.) Clearly I need to work on a Ring of Five page for my website! :-)
As far as any players/PCs are concerned... you're absolutely correct. The actual Ring is so secretive, while some pretenders may foster rumors that they do, nobody knows who REALLY belongs to Ring of Five.
They do still exist, however. (In my campaign)
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