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If you look at the WotC catalog on their website, they are also releasing Gamma World using 4E rules in December. So a 4E Greyhawk book is even further away.

Ooh, haven't been here in a while. I would tend to agree about not using the rule system of D20 Modern/Future. The scaling of magic is main one one not to. Magic as a combat spell ends at 5th level ...

One issue with advancing the Oerthian timeline is that we know that the future of Oerth has very little magic, at least compared to the current (i.e. CY 570's-590's) era. I can't remember when the Gr ...

The Spectre is the outermost planet in Greyspace...

Isn't there a ship in Greyspace wanderning about the edge of the crystal sphere that people find from time to time? What is the deal with that object?

If you accept Greyspace/Spelljammer
A.Comets could come from the "Grinder" asteroid field. Objects knocked out of orbit, could crash into Oerth at high speeds
B.Objects dropped from space might app ...

If you are looking for canon everyone agrees to, it should be treated like a book I read as a child El Caldo con Piedras (Stone Soup) where the abuela (grandmother) is going to make un caldo grande (l ...

I was looking at future WotC releases at amazon.com and found
http://www.amazon.com/Expedition-Demonweb-Pits-D-Supplement/dp/0786940387/sr=1-5/qid=1159510077/ref=sr_1_5/102-7200076-7457714?ie=UTF8&am ...

Does it help that Fiendish Codex mentions Lolth's gate to and involvement in Istivin?

Most likely non-disclosure agreement is involved.

See Erik 'hawk.
'Hawk Erik! 'Hawk!

Unless agreed otherwise, or ruled so by the Dungeon Master, for Greyhawk, canon means any material officially published for the Greyhawk campaign setting and any conclusion that naturally and necess ...

IIRC, the reasons for confusion.

The text in the original B1 mentions the locations indicated, but does not give a specific hex number.

B2 is published later, mentions its location as being the ...

OK.

Based on what I have read now, I amend my statement. Tharizdun's deity rank represents his power in its current imprisoned state. Sort of like what would happen if Vecna had completely won. ...

For all:

1.I think that you should all speak which version of olve (elf) age you subscribe to. 1st ed elves potentially live much, much longer than 3e elves. Without that the discussion has been ...

Play a game with gods. I am not being flippant.

From a 3E standpoint, pull out the Dragon Magazine article with Tharizdun's stats (or convert if it was a 2E article, I forget at the moment), Deiti ...

Hi. First, I think, that you mean CY585 as that the set is after Greyhawk Wars. It depends on what you want. The big questions ares what rules system are you be using? How complicated to you want t ...

For example in the Duchy of Ulek, with 32% of the population being Half-Elf, that shows that there is either a lot of racial tolerance, irresponsible intermingling, or perhaps a population that is bec ...

"Lolth" was an avatar, proxy, trusted aide, or whatever, not the goddess herself...

Considering Lolth is still alive, it seems that the party lost. In that case, there's no reason not to assume th ...

Some campaign books are written rules lite, but those books work because levelling and balance are not an issue. The example that comes to mind are the latest books/PDFs for Traveller. That is becau ...

2.Canon adventures - retro fitting or even explaining how they work in the world within the context of the adopted rule system.
For the moment, remove the rule system and summarize GDQ.
"The party ...

Part of the problem in power level is what canon has established.

Consider:
Most players, though not all, want their rules to work on the basis of "If Mordenkainen/Elminster/Robliar could do it, ...

As soon as you put that level number next to a name, you've set a power level relative to the game system it was published for. Sure, it's one that can be adjusted up or down as the dm chooses, but t ...

I have to second Dethand in this. One shouldn't confuse the 1st edition with Greyhawk. When some of you played Greyhawk you played with the 1st edition ruleset, your experience of playing in Greyhawk ...

I just got Savage Worlds and am converting the 3E Deities and Demigods over for gigles. If I ever finish, I might have set up a "Savages and Demigods" scenario.

Anyone want to fight Divine Rank 15 ...

CruelSummerLord, thank you for your input. I respect your opinion because it is consistent with your base assumtion which is to change the rule system to fit the setting you have come to know. Fair ...

I converted all the Giant adventures into 3rd edition. By the time they got to the end of the Glacial Rift the Jarl would no longer have been too much of a threat. WHilst you could argue that I shou ...

Perhaps Kwalish was a sort of clockwork mage as in the 2ed Sha'ir Handbook?

CruelSummerLord:
I would like to know what you considered "epic level" in your vision of GH and in the context of what rules system? I ask since you mentioned 6th level and "epic level" as limits of ...

Remember that Book of Vile Darkness allows for the possibility to make them Divine Rank 1 gods.
Also, the focus of in Fiendish Codex is to make demons a tough challenge (CR +1 to +4 of character le ...

One thing I've seen a couple of times in this thread, and I'm curious about...

Do you really think that having the "Official" liscence and use of d20 would really aid in marketing?

As much as I' ...

I started playing with the LGG again. So, I break down the percentages of races and came up with some interesting numbers of populations.
For each race is the largest population recorded (headcount, ...

4.Republish/rewrite some of the classics -
I would rewrite some of the "classic" modules. First on the list would be Against the Giants. Q1 would have to be 20th/"epic level" and would be scaled so ...

2.Develop a proper Campaign Setting Book.
A.The hard choices would be: OGL, D20 liscenced, Dungeons and Dragons license & official WOTC licenced product, another game system, or rules light? - ...

If I Ran the Circus...er...Greyhawk
I would do the following. For examples, I may to refer to some of the other settings which have been published in 3E/3.5E. If this seems like being a copycat, we ...

Nope - you don't need coal (it helps, but you don't need it). You can use charcoal instead (which means lots of deforestation!) to make crucible steel

Thanks!

On literacy:
From a number cruchin ...

For that matter, what are they making steel with? Don't you need coal because it generates a higher temperature needed to make good steel?
So where is the coal?

The rules between GH and the real world are different.
Smokepowder/gunpowder not functioning on Oerth? Physics and the gods at work here...

Maybe the platinum in GH and D&D is not the same ...

The long winded background is to show that, in my opinion, if more Greyhawk material been written during 2nd ed/3E years, power levels in GH material would have gone up.

In part, this was already g ...

Anced_Math you got me thinking. I think that there could be many, many high level characters in Greyhawk. They simply have not been written about.

Consider:
1st ed
A great deal of GH material w ...

And there is weight. 36000 gp (coins) weigh 720 lbs (3E/3.5E) You need about 25+ Strength to carry that. Easy target on a horse/mule etc. If he goes for jewels and gems, they are easier to steal wi ...

Some observations:

In 3.5E you can burn more xp than you have for the level. You just cannot go below 0. What means is it takes longer to get out of the XP hole.

The "simple" economics of the ...

That's what their armies of followers exist for to handle petty problems like upstart PCs they have more important plans and concerns to handle.

So regardless of there stats; you would never find ...

I have yet to see this book so I am just giving a little rant.

Dumbing down the demons, individually or collectively, in itself I feel does not make any difference unless
A.A GM actually plans on ...

A look at the Dragon Annual map...

Shocked

Excuse me...
Which Dragon Annual had this map Question

I must have it. I must Exclamation

Since the Cataclysms:
1.Available Land vs Population Pressure or lack thereof may be a factor why more exploration and colonization has not occurred.

2.Economics
The WOG is not the 21st century, ...

I am in the nervous category and uncertain about the approach fro articles I would write.
My main strength is in rewriting and adaptation. I try to be thorough research, in using my sources, and i ...

Since most NPC's do not go killing thru experience points, my method of explaining NPC advancement is thru story awards (which is the only thing I like about 3E xp). I use that as the manner to expla ...

For my GH games I use 2 systems. I'm currently playing in a v3.5 GH game. Over the years, v3.5 roleplaying has really grated on my neveres. I like the system to a point, but its the most prolific F ...

I came across something that would be interesting to use in a new GH Gazeteer. I got the Player's Guide to Eberron, and for each of the sections they have these sidebars of "What does your character ...

An examination on changing druids needs to examine the the pieces of the the Flan, Old Faith, and Flan Deities. Deities specifically of Flan origin are:
Greater
Beory - Oerth Mother, nature, rain
...

Are you talking about thematic changes vs. automatic/mechanical ones

As mechanical examples:
Will you require all guildmasters to have those guildmaster feats found in DMG II? Will Nerof Gasgal o ...

I hope they do not make it a simple "You spend an uneventful month at sea, travelling to the Isle of Dread. It may be a big sea, but it takes a while to get anywhere.

Some more information gleaned ...

I hope that they will deal with the environment appropriately, perhaps using environmental rules from Sandstorm and Stormwrack. Things like or heat exhaustion, sunburn or even ordinary items in the t ...

OK, I have heard expression before as an inside joke that I am not in on. What is the Egg of Coot? As a joke and otherwise?

In owning the DA series D&D modules, I some of the the TSR history in the later design of Blackmoor/Mystarra. I also read how it was two different books campaigns moshed together like.

1.What ...

A "pirate haven" should have some or all of the following, else a seafaring power would shut them down:

Communication Distance: the further the avenging navy is from its home base, the longer the r ...

As piracy figures, I am lead to believe, somewhat strongly in the Savage Tide adventure path, I hope the Paizo Patrol has considered a few inviolate rules concerning piracy:

Please do not forget to ...

I think I understand some of what Anced_Math is trying to say. I had that minimal high school education on guilds. So when I started looking at DMG II, I was thinking of these groups in purely in ec ...

Yeppers, its a good thing. Western Oerik got messed up by the 3E version of Chainmail. The North is bogged down ice. Fireland is not much talked about. Time to go South!

Well, as far as how can ...

Rolemaster, HARP (yea, I know same thing) or Hero System. I always like the critical hits in Rolemaster, and Hero system lets you design character and spells like nothing else I have ever seen.

You can also try Frostburn. If you ignore the information on 'unnatural cold' part, there is a lot of good 3E specific wilderness survival info for cold weather.

But Baba Yaga is considered part of D&D and Greyhawk potentially. Her artifact, the hut on the chicken legs in the 1st ed DMG.

Knights of Holy Shielding
Type: Fighting Company
Scale: 11(Multiregional/duchy)

Affiliation Score Critera
Character Level - +1/2 PC's level

Executive Powers: Crusade, raid, war

Some partial notes based off of the LGG
Knights of the Hart
Type: Fighting Company
Scale: 13(Multiregional/Kingdom and vassal states)

Affiliation Score Critera
Character Level - +1/2 PC's leve ...

In Living Greyhawk Gazetteer there are only a few references to her...
Ket
"...Through most of the fifth century CY, Ket was at peace with her neighbors, though border disputes with Bissel and skirm ...

Paizo has now published a 3.5 Suel Lich template in Dragon 339.

Knight Protectors of the Great Kingdom
Type: Fighting Compay
Scale: 9 (Regional/barony) formerly 13(Multiregional/kingdom and vassal states)
Affiliation Score Criteria
Character level: +1/2 PC's ...

In WOG boxed set the population of the city proper was 58,000 in CY576
In the LGG the population of the city proper was 69,500 in CY591
This is a net increase of 11,500, 19.82% over the 15 year peri ...

For notes on more local guilds within the city, you could try the WOTCs DMG II, which gives its demographics on guilds in a town (The "There should be 1 porter per X people") and building stats for sa ...

I'm agonizing over the Sorcerer class; with a well established history amazingly bereft of sorcerers, and many established named wizards, I don't know how they honestly fit.

I do not think that wou ...

Here I found it. Repeated from the conversion book.
Old Thief Skill = D&D 3E Skill
Pick Pockets = Pick Pocket
Open Locks = Open Lock
Find/Remove Traps= Search (finding traps)
Find/Remove Tra ...

Consider their lifespan. In general, because of the longer lifespan of elves, the the conspiracy likely has the same individuals who started plans hundreds of years prior. I don't have 2nd ed rules ...

If everyone knows about them the order is known, but for other reasons, beyond a known leader or two the other members are kept secret?

They are masked or disguised when in public. The symbols cou ...

I recently picked up WOTC's 30 years of D&D book. This has gotten me to thinking.

Have there been any biographies/autobiographies been written on Gary Gygax, Rob Kuntz, or other originators ...

Also, did your figures take into account that many of the humanoid races are more or less constantly at war?

This is very very cool. I have more interest in this. What was your methodology in arriving at these values? I am guessing that the "1% replacement time" is something along the lines of gestation p ...

Where is your Fantasy Demographics? I would like to take a look.

I like D20 a LOT. Many things are missing, so I added the following:

1.Made the Greyhawk regional feats from Dragon magazine part of my campaign and encourage their use.
2.Make the major language ...

What is the scope of this project?
How do you suggest that this would be distinct existing Living Greyhawk Gazeteer?

Since its publication, there have been good things and bad here and in print th ...

1.S3 - Expedition to the Barrier Peaks This one was the greatest shock value to my players and they will never, ever forget the vegepygmies!
2.D3 - Vault of the Drow - The characters caused a civil ...

t they aren't interested in role-playing. Some people just like killing stuff, and any background is completely and totally lost on them. You can keep trying to get them interested in it, but you will ...

Any specifics on the binder or vestige you speak of?

I played the Blue Box and progressed to AD&D then 2nd ed and so on. Since I have played all sorts of RPGs, each advancement of DND to its current form has been an improvement. I agree with all C ...

How do you all feel about Binders from the new Tome of Magic? Would you let binders in your Greyhawk?
What about the use of Acererak, Dahlver-Nar, Tenebrous and Geryon as vestiges? How do you all fee ...

I have been working with eTools forever now.

At one time I made a separate database for Grewhawk and started working from there. I added the minimum datasets necessary to get it up to the speed. ...

There is the "official" conversion book from AD&D to D&D3E that WOTC released when 3.0 came out. There were hardcopies (I have one) and it came out in PDF form. Copies were in the D&D ch ...

I have been using the box set encounters in an attempt to determine general 3.5 EL encounter tables. I have the base data scanned, now I have to figure a strategy to correlate the 3.5 organization st ...

I played up at Games Plus in Mt. Prospect, IL. Took my 4 year old. Our GM for the day, Josh Wiltse, was a real patient sort. Had a great ambush preped for the drow. Of couse we all failed our atta ...

But it's only current to 585 CY. As far as I can tell, the northern lands have been reclaimed and quite a few npcs are now dead. I'm just not sure which ones!

Get the LGG index Dragon magazine ha ...

It struck me that there could be more than interpretation concerning point G. I do not have the text in front of me as I am at work, but weren't the statements made by an "editor" (forgot his name at ...

I am an oldster and was until recently gaming with youngsters. They did not like the fact that they could not get the modules I was using (they did not know about svgames.com and later rpgnow.com) an ...

Assuming a dwindling of magic would UA style incantations exist? For those unfamiliar with the UA setting or D20 Modern, magic tops off at 5th level spells. The hedge around that is incantations, wh ...

I could not go to Gen Indy this year (I suck Sad

). Does anyone have any information about Greyhawk that came out of the con? I have another topic set aside for just for Living Greyhawk only.

I could not make go to GenCon Indy(I suck) Sad

. Would anyone like to share Living Greyhawk experiences from the con?

I will go back and look at the Dragon article. There is mention of Stratis' signature weapon.

Don't forget their brother (half-brother?) Stratis, neutral deity of war. He was is now dead but also was brought up in the recent Chainmail rules

What is the connection of the DA# Blackmoor Adventures of the Mystarra setting? I remember that that they were written as being in Mystarra's past and tailored to that setting. To what extent to ...

In addition canon is maintained because each campaign has been sufficiently displaced from great lengths of time or by distance. They have at least 5 distinct eras one can play in, and that is in onl ...

By example there is another approach to canon. For better or worse it is employed in the RPG Traveller. The RPG and the Far Future/Imperium setting has been around about as long as GH. The philosop ...

There is no dragon reference to Renfus in the Dragon Magazine Archive
But you might search "bandit kingdoms" Found some cruncies:

#67 pg 14 has WoG map boundaries for the BK at the time (1st ed.) ...