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    Adept Greytalker

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    Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:51 pm  
    Original, Heretical OJ9

    For kicks and giggles, here's a link to the original version of the Oerth Journal #9, which was released for approximately a day before the Council of Greyhawk made me take out the Dorgha Torgu bit.

    This also has the map that was left out when the OJ was "re-pdfed" with a new cover a few years later.

    Enjoy

    http://shadowend.pbwiki.com/f/Oerth%20Journal%2009%20-%20Heretic%27s%20Version.pdf
    Black Hand of Oblivion

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    Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:16 am  

    Why was the Dorgha Torgu bit taken out? If it can be put back in in the new format that would be great. It would be a nice little bit to have archived for reference.

    Besides, the Baklunish pretty much got the shaft on deities.
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    Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:36 pm  

    Cebrion wrote:
    Why was the Dorgha Torgu bit taken out? If it can be put back in in the new format that would be great. It would be a nice little bit to have archived for reference.

    Besides, the Baklunish pretty much got the shaft on deities.

    The Council of Greyhawk (which was a real group of people) decided that since Gary hadn't given explicit permission to use it in the Oerth Journal (he had given permission for it to be posted to Greytalk), it shouldn't be included. I felt that it wasn't much of a jump from a message board to the OJ, and it wasn't like I was rewriting it or anything. But I was overruled.
    Mad Archmage of the Oerth Journal

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    Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:47 am  
    oooh! ahhhh....

    Nellisir wrote:
    The Council of Greyhawk (which was a real group of people) decided that since Gary hadn't given explicit permission to use it in the Oerth Journal (he had given permission for it to be posted to Greytalk), it shouldn't be included. I felt that it wasn't much of a jump from a message board to the OJ, and it wasn't like I was rewriting it or anything. But I was overruled.


    I'd be interested in this article and perhaps to get it up to date and into an upcoming OJ if you could get that to me. Happy
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    Black Hand of Oblivion

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    Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:33 pm  

    It is in the file. Download it! Laughing
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    Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:36 pm  

    <bump> =P
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    Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:40 pm  
    Re: oooh! ahhhh....

    Duicarthan wrote:
    Nellisir wrote:
    The Council of Greyhawk (which was a real group of people) decided that since Gary hadn't given explicit permission to use it in the Oerth Journal (he had given permission for it to be posted to Greytalk), it shouldn't be included. I felt that it wasn't much of a jump from a message board to the OJ, and it wasn't like I was rewriting it or anything. But I was overruled.


    I'd be interested in this article and perhaps to get it up to date and into an upcoming OJ if you could get that to me. Happy


    Dorgha Torgu
    By Gary Gygax (ggygax@genevaonline.com)
    This is material I recently found in my old
    Greyhawk files. I was preparing for play in the west,
    and was working on this deity for the obvious reasons
    you will note as you read the descriptive material. This
    material is in draft form, and was never tested in play—
    an obvious need, for interaction with a party of adventures
    while Drought Torii was in mortal guise was intended,
    of course.
    As an aside, if through the interaction the party
    managed to assist him in regaining his place, they would
    be much favored by him if of any but Evil alignment.
    Bad guys helping would be in trouble with not with him,
    for Drought Torii [sic] would simply ignore them, but
    with the other deities (and devils, demons, et.al.) for placing
    an opponent on high again.
    Greater (fallen) God, now a Quasi-Deity
    Dorgha Torgu B Material Dimensions, Material
    Elements N (G) m
    It is said that Dorgha Torgu is the outcast of the
    deities of Oerth. This is because he is the one from whom
    came the Rain of Colorless Fire upon the Suloise Empire,
    thus violating both his Neutrality and his charge.
    While the Invoked Devastation of the Suel was wrought
    through the vilest of the Evil powers, the counter response
    was unjust despite provocation. Swayed by the
    evil counsel of Vilp-akf’cho Rentaq, that alien thing
    which is called the Elder Elemental God, Dorgha Torgu
    bent dimensions and loosed unnatural elements in his
    charge so as to precipitate upon the Suel realm the nearinvisible
    and unquenchable flames that consumed the
    land, burning even rock to powdery ash.
    Shunned now by all deities not of malign bent,
    Dorgha Torgu, the Outcast of the Gods, wanders his
    domain in remorse. Torn between anger at his treatment,
    which he feels is unjust, and remorse, this deity
    seeks some means of rebuking his peers even while proving
    himself as worthy in their eyes. Despite the blandishments
    of those of Evil nature, Dorgha Torgu has not
    turned to them. Clearly he regrets listening to the Elder
    Elemental long ago, and is wise enough to understand
    that to follow Evil now would simply confirm the judgement
    of those who have made him a pariah. Thus,
    Dorgha Torgu is also rejected by those gods and goddesses
    of malign sort. He is indeed a true outcast.
    Acknowledged and venerated by Baklunish
    “purists” (for reasons now distasteful in the extreme to
    him) and a handful of other savants who are aware of
    the circumstances, Dorgha Torgu is no longer able to
    wield vast powers. He is now a mere quasi-god with
    powers akin to those of a Cleric/Magic-User/Paladin of
    18th level each (with the ability to move into the material
    dimensions and the surrounding plane, compound
    elements to form things thus, and, of course to assume
    mortal form at will). Brought low thus through his own
    error and the judgement of his peers, Dorgha Torgu roams
    about, often in material form, vainly looking for that
    which will redeem him in the eyes of the Greater Gods.
    As with all things, there is a means by which the outcast
    can restore his lost repute, but he must manage the matter
    without assistance from any of deital sort.
    In mortal guise, this deity can assume any
    form—male of female, young or old, handsome or ugly,
    and so forth. When in human guise, however, Dorgha
    Torgu has abilities of diminished sort, even from his relatively
    lowly quasi-deital status. (As an aside, it is thought
    that this is because he has the secret backing Istus, who
    would see her fellow restored to his place if Dorgha Torgu
    can earn such. It is speculated that the opportunity to
    make amends for his offense will come only when he in
    such weakened state.) Thus, Dorgha Torgu has but mortal
    powers, albeit considerable ones, and cannot, of
    course, be truly slain but merely destroyed in material
    form and sent to his own demi-plane for a time for recuperation.
    Dorgha Torgu as a mortal has the combined
    abilities of a Cleric and a Paladin. He may opt to have
    the former at 12th level ability and the latter at 8th level,
    or vice versa. In either case he can also use each of the
    following spells twice per day: dimension door, passwall,
    rock to mud, teleport, wall of stone.
    In roaming through the world, Dorgha Torgu
    helps those who seek to reverse evil things, to aid those
    who have been wronged, and to otherwise help those
    suffering unjustices. This he does from remorse, not
    because he believes such a course will restore him to his
    lost status. Of course, it is surely some such humble act
    that will set him on the course of attaining that which he
    seeks.
    Black Hand of Oblivion

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    Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:35 am  

    I just remembered that this Dorgha Torgu bit was featured in its entirety in OJ #12, pages 6-7. Hopefully others will see this little gem though and look up other things too.
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