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    Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:18 am  
    Middle-OErth

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dinSBHcorm2ztPKN24q_g7jfBtXz7azh/view?usp=sharing

    I made this map for the fun.

    The scale is the same for western Middle-Earth and estern Flanasess. So it matches well, don't you think ?

    Does it inspire you ?


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    Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:35 am  

    Holy hell! I can't believe I've never seen a mash up like this before. Yeah they seem to go extremely well together. Much better than the World Map we're given in Dragon. Keeping both setting's stories intact, I find it delicious that Mordor is in the Suel Empire's back yard or vice versa.
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    Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:25 am  

    Thanks Mortellan! Isn't Ull in Mordor's back yard, too ?? Shocked
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    Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:46 am  

    Hmmm. I'd say that the Baklunish Dry Steppes are more in Mordor's "backyard" -- along with Ull -- and that Haradwaith is in the Suel's Sea of Dust's "backyard" -- as the Sea of Dust lies south of the Sulhuat Mountains. Yes? Wink

    Incidentally, that's more of Middle Earth's map than I ever seen before, with details of the southern lands. Thanks Galliskinmaufrius! Happy
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    Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:50 am  

    To be exact, Ull is in Sauron's armpit. Cool
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    Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:55 pm  

    Mystic-Scholar wrote:
    Incidentally, that's more of Middle Earth's map than I ever seen before, with details of the southern lands. Thanks Galliskinmaufrius! Happy


    Well, the Middle-Earth maps come from I.C.E. products for the M.E.R.P. game.

    Between M.-E. and the Flanaess lies a vast empty desert : home of nomads tribes.

    If you include Numenor (Atlantis) in the western ocean, then you can imagine that Numenoreans have colonized the East using their ships. Maybe, the Suel Empire is an ancient colony of black Numenoreans.

    Also, Tolkien, speaking about Istari (magicians), told the story of two wizards who went with Saroumane in the East (Flanaess). Only Saroumane came back in western M.-E. The other two, Alatar & Pallando, the blue wizards, never came back and remained in the East (founding empires or being corrupted by evil forces, whatever...).

    What have those two blue magicians become ? Tenser & Philidor ?
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    Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:26 pm  

    Hmm, Ull, Dry Steppes to the east of Mordor? Easterlings mayhap? I also like the Numenor ideas. Great stuff!
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    Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:30 pm  

    Galliskinmaufrius wrote:
    If you include Numenor (Atlantis) in the western ocean, then you can imagine that Numenoreans have colonized the East using their ships. Maybe, the Suel Empire is an ancient colony of black Numenoreans.


    Tolkien alluded to such happenings in The Silmarillion -- my favorite of his works. Never was really thrilled by hobbits.
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    Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:37 pm  

    Mystic-Scholar wrote:
    Never was really thrilled by hobbits.


    WHAT?!?!
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    Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:02 pm  

    bubbagump wrote:
    WHAT?!?!


    Of course, there's ALWAYS that one exception. Wink Evil Grin

    As an aside, I think that Frodo was both "lucky," "fortunate" and completely "accidental" in his success and not by any means "heroic." Sam was much "stronger" and should have been the one to carry the ring, in my opinion. Shocked

    Frodo may have had "heart," as in -- "a good heart." But in real life MANY of those "types" have "died in the attempt." Frodo should never have succeeded just because he had a "good heart." rolleyes

    And that's why Tolkien's hobbits have never impressed me and have never been a favorite character class of mine. Razz

    But, of course, the same cannot be said of a certain Hairfoot halfling, Assassin of Tharizdun, acquaintance of mine. Wink
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    Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:40 pm  

    Better. Now, that wasn't so hard, was it? Cool Cool
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    Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:56 pm  

    Love the map.

    I REALLY wish that I had thought of this about a year ago - right before I did the same thing but with Golarion and Flanaess.

    Well done though.
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    Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:28 am  

    years ago when I was a wee lad and my brpther and I just started with the first edition AD&D, we had a map like that but it also included both Moorcok's world of Melnibone and Lieber's Newhon. What can I say,we were geeks.
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    Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:54 pm  

    So then would the Suel be descended from the Numenorians?
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    Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:16 am  

    bubbagump wrote:
    Better. Now, that wasn't so hard, was it? Cool Cool


    Just how many times did you have to poke him with the dagger in his back until he said it right?


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    Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:48 pm  

    vonbek wrote:
    So then would the Suel be descended from the Numenorians?


    Yes, black numenoreans indeed.

    Other point of view : the blue wizards may have founded each one of the Empires : Suel and Baklunish. Alatar = Suel. Pallando = Baklunish.


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    Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:38 am  

    Maraudar wrote:
    Just how many times did you have to poke him with the dagger in his back until he said it right?


    Four times. Just four. Evil Grin
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