Anyone have any thoughts why the Great Kingdom and Keoland never went to war for domination of the Flaneass?
- They're too far apart from each other
- They've both been through imperialist stages and are declining as military powers
- The states that broke away from each now serve as buffer nations that they'd have to make grueling marches though
- Neither has anything the other wants bad enough to risk a war of continental scale
It is still an interesting topic, with two 'superpower' nations in the Flanaess at one point, how did they feel about each other despite the distances or distractions? They had to have had diplomatic relations in the very least.
To be a little more specific, I am only looking at the height of the Great Kingdom - when it stretched from the Quaglands to Greyhawk to the Solnor. I am not that versed in Sheldomar lore, but didn't Keoland -pretty much dominate the entire Sheldomar valley at that time? If so, the two empires would have abutted each other.
To be a little more specific, I am only looking at the height of the Great Kingdom - when it stretched from the Quaglands to Greyhawk to the Solnor. I am not that versed in Sheldomar lore, but didn't Keoland -pretty much dominate the entire Sheldomar valley at that time? If so, the two empires would have abutted each other.
Yet no wars? Not even skirmishes?
Hmmm..maybe they were actually friendly? I'm sure there were some border incidents, but perhaps the rulers of both Aerdy and Keoland saw the benefits of peaceful coexistence.
Or maybe the did fight wars, but those wars are simply overshadowed by later events.
There are several factors to consider in determining the political big picture of a few centuries ago. Who was running around the Flanaess making trouble back then? Not Iuz....barbarians? Humanoid armies?
How much land was wilderness- more than now or less?
To be a little more specific, I am only looking at the height of the Great Kingdom - when it stretched from the Quaglands to Greyhawk to the Solnor. I am not that versed in Sheldomar lore, but didn't Keoland -pretty much dominate the entire Sheldomar valley at that time? If so, the two empires would have abutted each other.
Yet no wars? Not even skirmishes?
No. Bissel was not brought into Keoland until well after the Great Kingdom had ceased to rule over Veluna and Furyondy. There could conceivably have been some contact through the mountains with Great Kingdom ruled Veluna by way of Gran March, but probably not too much and that would be far from an open borderland.
If, and I say "if," you accept the Savage Tide Adventure Path as "canon," you can put together an argument, that Keoland and Aerdi likely engaged in naval skirmishes.
Aerdi in the AP is said to have attacked Sasserine. If Aerdi ships were conducting military actions that far from home, it is hard to imagine that they would not have crossed paths and swords with Keolandish ships at some point in time. And if the Aerdi were that far afield, there is no reason to suppose that the Keolanders may not have made it to Relmor Bay.
Of course, canon describes no Aerdi/Keoland war, naval or otherwise. IMO, there were probably naval engagements but they were probably sporadic, intermitant and of no lasting consequence. It would have been hard, IMO, for either nation to project sustained power over those distances, given everything else on each nation's plate and neither having any real motivation to go after the other.
That said, the Scarlet Brotherhood in canon projected force across the same distance more or less, conquering the Hold of the Sea Princes. But then the SB faced no resistence as they "killed everyone in one night" among the Sea Princes leadership. Neither Aerdi nor Keoland had the ability to do the same, I'm going to say. Then again, I find the whole SB conquest of the Hold ludicrous in the extreme and certainly no model to follow.
Anyone have any thoughts why the Great Kingdom and Keoland never went to war for domination of the Flaneass?
- They're too far apart from each other
- They've both been through imperialist stages and are declining as military powers
- The states that broke away from each now serve as buffer nations that they'd have to make grueling marches though
- Neither has anything the other wants bad enough to risk a war of continental scale
Don (Greyson)
-I was going to point out that any conflict would have had to have been naval; GVD beat me to it (by almost a year )...
GVDammerung wrote:
If, and I say "if," you accept the Savage Tide Adventure Path as "canon," you can put together an argument, that Keoland and Aerdi likely engaged in naval skirmishes.
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